SUPERDENIM SMALL QUESTIONS THREAD (Use instead of making new threads)

[Hopethisoneisnttaken]

53 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Thanks @Hopethisoneisnttaken

Did you ever see the W&A work shoe which Kurt stocked at Faith (Taiwan).. might be a bit before your time in forumland, they had a restocked size 10 in recently.. it's a lovely shoe, especially the brown / ox blood colour.

I almost bought a pair many years ago.. then the guys on the IH forum went insane for them after Giles suggested a group buy and it put me off somewhat.

Never heard of them, share a link/picture?

[Double 0 Soul]

https://www.faithsfk.co/products/w-a-work-shoes-type-ii-20-brown-preorder-1116-1130-2022

 

https://mrold.waca.ec/product/detail/1354732/faith-work-shoes-typeII2-black

 

The restock must have been recent.. i was looking over christmas acording to history, now sold out again..

Old style postman shoes

Edited February 14, 2025 by Double 0 Soul

[reallypeacedoff]

When it comes to denim jackets, what's the acceptable amount of buttons to do up?

[julian-wolf]

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[willi]

Maximum of 2 if it's the top layer. You can button more if it's under a coat but the top must never be buttoned. It's the law.

[Double 0 Soul]

Settle an argument for me...

Is Novesta pronounced Nova-star or No-vesta ?

There is a pint riding on it..

[UkeNo]

3 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Settle an argument for me...

Is Novesta pronounced Nova-star or No-vesta ?

There is a pint riding on it..

I pronounce it as No-vesta. But honestly have no idea if that’s right. 

Edited February 15, 2025 by UkeNo

[Double 0 Soul]

I thought the same @UkeNo but i did have to concede that from a branding perspective Nova-star sounds better out of the mouth

I think they're Slovakian .. not sure we have any Slovaks on the forum.. @Toegun do you have Polish roots? that's probably the biggest land border..  how would you pronounce it?

[Maynard Friedman]

I was just wondering how many fly buttons I should do up on my jeans. Any suggestions?

[Double 0 Soul]

I thought "all of them" was one of the conditions of your parole?

[MJF9]

Non... but only if you have a zip

[Mtvare]

 

12 minutes ago, MJF9 said:

Non... but only if you have a zip

Or if it's raw 25oz denim.

[MJF9]

6 hours ago, julian-wolf said:

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This... whether jesting or seriously answering

Depends on the jacket and the fit

Often I'm going with top 3 on WW2 or top 4 on non-WW2... snugger jackets often buttons 2 and 3... have also been known to rock the top button only, cape style in my minds eye at least

Careful buttoning the bottom one (meaning fully buttoned rather than on its own, for the avoidance of doubt!)... if the jacket's snug, it could look like denim shrink wrap 😉

[Toegun]

3 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

I thought the same @UkeNo but i did have to concede that from a branding perspective Nova-star sounds better out of the mouth

I think they're Slovakian .. not sure we have any Slovaks on the forum.. @Toegun do you have Polish roots? that's probably the biggest land border..  how would you pronounce it?

@Double 0 Soul I think the emphasis is on the “vess” part in the middle. No-VESS-tar. But don’t quote me on that. Maybe use an Eastern European accent when saying it. 

[Double 0 Soul]

Thanks!

That's good enough to win me a pint!

[reallypeacedoff]

11 hours ago, julian-wolf said:

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These were my exact thoughts, but...

11 hours ago, willi said:

Maximum of 2 if it's the top layer. You can button more if it's under a coat but the top must never be buttoned. It's the law.

I started to wonder if there was a "rule" for denim jackets...I have had a handful of people in public tell me to unbutton the top and/or bottom button on a denim jacket. 

[ATWM]

1 hour ago, reallypeacedoff said:

These were my exact thoughts, but...

I started to wonder if there was a "rule" for denim jackets...I have had a handful of people in public tell me to unbutton the top and/or bottom button on a denim jacket. 

Why they feel the need to do this is a question for their therapist.
 

But there is no rule. I’ve seen every iteration look fantastic and also look terrible, and it’s usually not primarily to do with what buttons have been done up or not. 

[willi]

I feel lighthearted about it and I would never tell someone what to do in public. But I also think it's true that almost no one has ever looked good with the top button of a denim jacket buttoned. The only exception is just the very top two buttons buttoned, but you need to be a certain type of dude to pull that off. Bottom button is also bad but is less egregious.

[ATWM]

1 hour ago, willi said:

I feel lighthearted about it and I would never tell someone what to do in public. But I also think it's true that almost no one has ever looked good with the top button of a denim jacket buttoned. The only exception is just the very top two buttons buttoned, but you need to be a certain type of dude to pull that off. Bottom button is also bad but is less egregious.

I'd sooner go to bat for the notion that Lee and Wrangler designs/detailed jeans should be left in the dustbins of history but we've all got our limiting opinions that won't find much common ground here. To be even further contrarian, I'd say bottom button is trickier than the top. I hold both of these views strongly for myself but lightly enough for others. 

[MJF9]

3 hours ago, reallypeacedoff said:

I have had a handful of people in public tell me to unbutton the top and/or bottom button on a denim jacket. 

Just random people coming up giving advice?  Hilarious... no rules but your rules mate... whatever you want to do with your jacket is the right answer imo... wasn't there a similar discussion in the Nonsense thread recently which is where it'd fit nicely!!  

[willi]

19 minutes ago, ATWM said:

I'd sooner go to bat for the notion that Lee and Wrangler designs/detailed jeans should be left in the dustbins of history but we've all got our limiting opinions that won't find much common ground here. To be even further contrarian, I'd say bottom button is trickier than the top. I hold both of these views strongly for myself but lightly enough for others. 

I disagree with the premise that aesthetic value is only a matter of opinion. Not liking Wrangler designs is an opinion, but it's not true that Wrangler designs are unstylish. Here is the proof:

Buttoning the top button of your denim jacket on the other hand...

[ATWM]

6 minutes ago, willi said:

I disagree with the premise that aesthetic value is only a matter of opinion. Not liking Wrangler designs is an opinion, but it's not true that Wrangler designs are unstylish. Here is the proof:

Buttoning the top button of your denim jacket on the other hand...

Style being a forever subjective assessment means proving its existence will always be an impossibility. We are just bickering about tastes here. Aesthetic value is of course only opinion. Some possibly more widely agreed upon, but no less opinions and judgments and only that.

What I will say about your offer of proof is that just imagine if the imprints of the W were missing. Everything can always be a smidge better, this is just one way here. I suppose we should move this over to nonsense though. 

[julian-wolf]

Agreed with AlienToy that the top button is often a good choice, but the bottom button is much more rarely so

[Double 0 Soul]

If i'm at work.. i always fasten my top buton because workwear isn't always about posing / fashion / style.. you have to take practicality and function into account aswell..  if i'm working on my planer, lathe or milling machine, the last thing i want in irritating wood shaving going down the neck hole of my sweatshirt.. meaning i have to strip layers off to get them out.. not favourable when it's 0° .. therefore i fasten the top button.

 

 

 

If you look back at period workwear photos.. you'll see the same approach depending on trade.

Edited February 15, 2025 by Double 0 Soul

[MJF9]

@Double 0 Soul look great with all them buttons buttoned apart from the bottom button... also my most used button configuration be it sitting at my desk, wandering around or lounging on the sofa... 

[CSL]

Declare that 'this way is wrong', and someone will purposely go do that thing and in many cases make it look good, or at least influence others to think that's the case.

OK. Let's play. I would definitely say that only fastening the top & bottom buttons, and leaving the rest undone does not look good. Prove me wrong!

[reallypeacedoff]

4 hours ago, MJF9 said:

Just random people coming up giving advice?  Hilarious... no rules but your rules mate... whatever you want to do with your jacket is the right answer imo... wasn't there a similar discussion in the Nonsense thread recently which is where it'd fit nicely!!  

I love that this struck a chord. I was kinda half-heartedly asking. Never do the bottom button of a suit, unbutton suit if you sit down, kinda thing. But yes, random people. Never been bothered about it but made me think, is there some unspoken rule I was unaware of. I personally button all, apart from bottom. Mostly because, when riding a motorcycle, either it rides up or makes you look like the Michelin man. Top button just helps with the wind. But can't say I'd be throwing shade at someone because they only had the middle ones done up, or any combination. Apart from maybe top/bottom buttoned and the rest unbuttoned though...

[Double 0 Soul]

7 hours ago, reallypeacedoff said:

Apart from maybe top/bottom buttoned and the rest unbuttoned though...

You sure? (thanks aho)

Depending on body shape.. I think opening the bottom button just makes them look more flattering / fit the body better.. ie- if you're a very slim build and the jacket is wide and boxy, fastening the bottom button has no effect on how the fabric drapes .. but if the jacket is a little more fitted or you're layering up.. the hem measurement is a lot smaller than the chest measurement so if your body shape doesn't follow the same taper from pit to hem, then fastening the bottom button pulls the waistband in causing the jacket to open up elsewhere, usually between the bottom two buttons.. (made worse by sitting) the pleats are not always enough to allow for this. Often looks worse with with the spacing of a 4x button jacket..

Edited February 16, 2025 by Double 0 Soul

[MJF9]

Love a good 'cape' styled denim jacket aka only the top button done up

Unbuttoned 2nd button.  Or maybe no button?  No bother.  Dude's still killin' it

Edited February 16, 2025 by MJF9

[yung_flynn]

Since denim jackets were workwear and primarily a functional garment, I’d be surprised if there are real hard and fast historical rules about buttoning. Personally I wear them unbuttoned most of the time and if I do button I leave the bottom and the top button (or two undone). 
 

On the topic of buttoning the bottom button, I founds these photos by Play Lee where he looks pretty good in my opinion with the bottom buttoned on an LVC Type 1. 

not personally something that I would do, but it’s certainly doable with te right fit and vibe