Sugar Cane Denim

[lobster_for_lunch]

Yeah I think the price at CC is bonkers too, but the thing I reacted to was that the expected way of enlightenment was to first buy the goods in a brick and mortar store and then advancing to finding out that the same product can be bought online straight from Japan at a much cheaper cost (and even cheaper if you “mark the item as a gift”). Then people complain about stores closing down, like what happened with Oi Polloi and many more. I guess it’s all been said before and that we all are on the same page. 

[MJF9]

For comparison on the SC tux

Japan retail:

• Blouse 52000 Yen = ~£272
• Jeans 42000 Yen = ~£220
• Total 94000 Yen = ~£492

Versus

UK retail:

• £649
• £599
• Total £1248

Massive difference... not even close... and therefore harder to rationalise through import costs, taxes and overheads... as Japan aint exactly a low cost retail centre either

I'm all for supporting 'local' businesses and I've bought previously from CC et al - and would again - but there are limits to that

Edited April 3 by MJF9

[Maynard Friedman]

Regardless of the intercontinental price differential, what do owners of the new SC WW2 garments think? How do they compare to CSF for example, which have (price and sales policies aside) been held in high regard by many on here for their attention to detail and period accuracy, etc?

[MJF9]

To compare, I've only got the Freewheelers 1944-45 type 1 and WW2 jeans and the Connors 1946 first part jacket, not strictly WW2 but it uses WW2 denim... and the book.  I've never handled any jeans from WW2 era or had a forensic look at the Sugar Cane details yet.  

After that disclaimer ... a few quick observations... 

Immediately obvious is the Sugar Cane have no red tab.  Not sure why unless the original they copied from had the red tab missing... answers on a postcard please

All the denims have grainy character.  Different but all nice.  Connors is superb denim that fades amazingly well; FW excellent vertical character; Sugar Cane is very irregular, dark and looks very promising (like it a lot).  From what I've read, this character is expected.  I don't know which is closer to WW2 standard; irrespective I'm not sure Mavis on the till at Waitrose supermarket does either and not one person had has commented... yet!! 

On the jacket, the fits are interesting to me. The Freewheelers is a jacket - longer and more spacious. The Connors and Sugar Cane are blouses imo - both nice and short.  The Connors slimmer through the body, relatively, and the Sugar Cane boxier.   They all have their different uses.

The Sugar Cane sewing is most wonky by far with loose ends all over the place (which I've cut off).  Freewheelers the cleanest and doesn't have that made-by-inexperienced-machinists feel.  

Sugar Cane have aged the buttons (laurel wreath and donut) on both jeans and blouse compared to the clean and shinier Freewheelers, and they feel slightly less substantial but still sound.  Freewheelers hardware (in my experience) is top-notch sturdy.  Both are very nice.

Callin b_F for a proper jeans comparison 😉

Like my children, I love them all... though they are similar yet different

[Dr_Heech]

1 hour ago, MJF9 said:

... a few quick observations... 

Immediately obvious is the Sugar Cane have no red tab.  Not sure why unless the original they copied from had the red tab missing... answers on a postcard please 

 

The original pair that Sugarcane copied are featured in the Vintage denim thread (wasn't aware when l originally posted the pics but have since amended the post) and they indeed have a red tab.

[Maynard Friedman]

The lack of a red tab on your jeans or any Sugar Cane items manufactured post-2006ish is almost certainly for ‘other’ reasons. I’m sure you’re playing with us here @MJF9 😆

[MJF9]

Haha I wasn't tbh Maynard though my memory and knowledge both have limitations!!!  Why are some brands ok and others not?  
(I'd have thought the situation now should be one of consistency)

Edited April 3 by MJF9

[Maynard Friedman]

^ That I really don’t know mate, hopefully someone who does can chime in.

[MJF9]

^ I suspect it may be a case of 'once bitten, twice shy'

Interestingly, I mentioned this to an informed friend for comment... the FW tab is actually burgundy, not red... seems the spectre over tab sewing is real

1998/99 Canes v FW 1937...

(Sorry to derail thread but it's linked to the above)

Edited April 4 by MJF9

[Talan]

Managed to get my hands on one of the last(?) available pairs of SC49007 Non-Wash from Japan.

 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Nice pic (and purchase).

Sugar Cane claimed that this second restock was the final one so you are probably right.

[aho]

Sorry lazy post but generally how is sizing on SC? Buy the same size as Warehouse, Ooe, etc? 

[AlientoyWorkmachine]

Ooe tags run 1.5-2 sizes smaller than your normal Japanese brand. YMMV but I find SC fairly true to size. 

Edited April 22 by AlientoyWorkmachine

[vIGGiou riou]

SC is almost in all types true to size. Just 1947 are in waist little bit snug, so many people buy them 1 size bigger... 

I think sizing of SC is same as Warehouse

[Ciabatta]

For me, I like the waist of my jeans to be around 33.5-34" right out the wash and stretch to around 36" to be comfortable and loose. I take a 34 in the 66's and 36 in the 47's (I find the waist to run smaller on these hence sizing up the tagged size.)

[julian-wolf]

M41200 action shot

 

feat. Tilley, Great Lakes, Frank’s, dog

[beautiful_FrEaK]

First wash after roughly 2 months. I admit I have neglected them after getting the Denime 101

[fresh1]

New pair arrived today...Black 47's.

[vIGGiou riou]

19 hours ago, fresh1 said:

New pair arrived today...Black 47's.

I bought them too in March. Looking forward to wear them in winter....

[julian-wolf]

I’ve been wearing mine around half the time for the last couple of weeks, splitting time with the S601XX

First “modern” SC jeans I’ve had in a while, since the lot 401 (ca. 2017–2019), and I’m really pleased with them. The fit is perfect, less slim than the Hawaii and the Okinawa

[fresh1]

The waist just fits on them after giving them a hot soak, so I'm assuming they'll stretch to a comfortable spot after wearing them for a day.  I think the next size up would have just been too big since they'd be jumping from a 36 to a 38.

[vIGGiou riou]

no worries... my experience with SC pants is : one day in, comfortable waist....

Edited May 10 by vIGGiou riou

[Broark]

I had talked myself out of getting these and then I tried a pair on.

[julian-wolf]

Picked this up on Yahoo for my partner and I’m mega jealous

No idea when it’s from; I don’t recognize the buttons from any of my M-series Lee’pro jeans. Thoughts / references?

I don’t recognize the denim itself, either, but that’s no surprise. The liner feels like cotton / poly (oh well), and it’s done proper, built as it’s own almost-jacket and just connected to the denim at the waist, collar, front plackets, cuffs—no shared seams on the body or sleeves

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[yung_flynn]

On 5/8/2024 at 4:55 PM, fresh1 said:

New pair arrived today...Black 47's.

I snoozed too long to grab them on Bears or Hinoya, but I just got a pair myself secondhand after they didn't fit the original owner. I'm hoping that they can mostly replace my several year old RRL as my black pair - they look nice now but they're a bit too slim for my tastes now (plus the dreaded tight thigh + too large waist).

Never having had the standard SC 1947, these are not as wide as I was expecting based on the size charts, which made them seem like they'd be wider than my Duck Digger 1947 pair. Rise is noticeably lower than Warehouse's take, about a full inch lower. Otherwise, all other details are similar as I'd expect for 1947 repros, minus the lack of coin pocket selvedge in the WH.

[cusswords]

On 5/12/2024 at 2:28 PM, julian-wolf said:

Picked this up on Yahoo for my partner and I’m mega jealous

No idea when it’s from; I don’t recognize the buttons from any of my M-series Lee’pro jeans. Thoughts / references?

I don’t recognize the denim itself, either, but that’s no surprise. The liner feels like cotton / poly (oh well), and it’s done proper, built as it’s own almost-jacket and just connected to the denim at the waist, collar, front plackets, cuffs—no shared seams on the body or sleeves

 

I bought a version of this jacket a few years back from Yahoo Auctions. I don’t get to wear it much, and I’ve genuinely debated cutting out the lining so I can wear it more.  

[julian-wolf]

Really dope. Looks like different hardware on yours, and a darker corduroy, but overall really similar. Excited to see one with the tag still present, in any case—I’ll have to do some googling & see if I can find any of that model that shipped with these details to confirm.

[reallypeacedoff]

When the IIY4 jeans are drying, I have been switching between the Denime and SC47 (pictured).

[beautiful_FrEaK]

The 1946 fit pretty good without a belt now. Excuse the safety shoes

[julian-wolf]

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n1137195262
 

Most excited I’ve been to win an auction in a while