Samurai Jeans

[vgadjo]

if i'm a 30/31 in most trousers & jeans (but a 32 in momotaro), what should i be leaning towards for the 710s? i'm thinking a 31.

 

Hey conqueror,

 

I've got both sda 103s and momos (0805 and er007-2b) in size 29. They all felt like a size down but now fit perfectly.

I bought my pair of 710 (Black Hawk) in size 29 too but after one hot soak and one wash, they feel more like tts. For a 1 size down fit, 28 could have been possible if they only existed in that size.

 

So I'd say it depends on the way you feel in your momos. If you went tts in 32 with the momos then 31 with the 710 sounds good.

[Max Power]

What momos? their sizing is pretty inconsistent. I am a 34 in the 0201 and 33 in the 0905SP and wear 34 in th 710 (TTS).

[conqueror]

vgadjo - thanks for your input.

max - they are vintage label 0701's, could have probably squeezed into a 31 though.

[Max Power]

Ok, I personally would go with the same size as in the 0701s then (or in your case sd1 to 31, when you could wear this size in the Momos).

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Some of you might already know that Samurai has a project running in which they grow their own cotton.

It seems that you can finally buy a pair. Made of their own grown cotton, if I translated it right: handwoven denim. Available for reservation now. A real "bargain"

 

 

 

I guess foxy will get a pair or two

 

 

edit: the price might reflect, that you are also investing in further cotton grows. Some Japanese speaking guy would really help here

Edited December 11, 2013 by beautiful_FrEaK

[lance]

man I love out of the ordinary, interesting denim and this certainly qualifies -  but am I converting the yen to $ correctly, for real ???

[Redstar*]

According to XE.com, that's $9,744.66 USD.

 

Please tell me that is a typo.

[lance]

^ yeah, me too - I can't wait to see this pair of jeans!

[Foxy2]

I saw the picture of the jeans and the box earlier in the Samurai blog...

http://www.samurai-j.com/samurai/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2014ss-011.jpg

Still digging for more details - price is just ridiculous, but maybe it includes free shares in Samurai Jeans, Japan?

Edited December 12, 2013 by Foxy2

[Warakia]

Lol, just had a quick look at the info they posted on the blog about it. 

 

Apparantly, those that helped in the growing/cultivation process get a priority in the reservations schedule. It seems members of the Samurai club were given the option to participate in the cotton cultivation process in 2012. 

 

Also, that Â¥999,999 price is excluding tax.. Yep. 

 

I did learn that idea behind the pocket design of Yamato jeans is 2 seagulls handing over a baton. It's supposed to represent the passing of treasures from the natural world to the posterity/future. 

 

But yeah, in short the price is justified by the idea that this is 100% Samurai made cotton. So basically the special point would be to own a pair of jeans that have been produced by the company all the way down to the growing of the cotton. 

 

 

...At this price point I'd rather outsource my cotton though. 

[bradl]

According to XE.com, that's $9,744.66 USD.

 

Please tell me that is a typo.

Nope, that is correct......

 

Are these more than those gold label momos?

[lance]

Looks like it's Ai dyed and yeah, last time I looked,  the Ai dyed, hand loomed Momos were $2000 US but can only be purchased  in Japan at their store.

Edited December 11, 2013 by lance

[louisbosco]

Wait it's only morning here an I'm seeing about $10k for that pair?!

[beautiful_FrEaK]

yes

[Max Power]

Wait it's only morning here an I'm seeing about $10k for that pair?!

Just thought the same, haha. Shit's getting ridiculous. For that price I can buy 40 normal Samurais and if each would last me just one year, I would be set until I'm dead.

 

On the same level for me as car seats made of ray or shark skin and other luxury bullshit, nothing can justify a price that high, not even if Nogami-san handpicks and weaves the jeans.

Edited December 12, 2013 by Max Power

[beautiful_FrEaK]

^ exactly. And with 40 pairs you have a lot more variation.

if you would get a new pair annualy for let's say...20 years than it is "ok"

[mange]

Just hope you don’t mess up the sizing since they can be hard to re-sell J

 

And the customs fee would be interesting as well. 

[conqueror]

well, i ended up getting the 15th anniversary 710's in a sz 33 (i've never been larger than a 32 in anything so i feel ashamed haha). 31's were sold out and the 32's i could only do the very top button up - it was at uncomfortable ball cleavage/separation levels so i settled for the 33. looking forward to seeing how they go, as i'll now be retiring the momo's (sz 32/3yrs old) after their latest crotch blowout.

Edited December 12, 2013 by conqueror

[louisbosco]

Just thought the same, haha. Shit's getting ridiculous. For that price I can buy 40 normal Samurais and if each would last me just one year, I would be set until I'm dead.

 

On the same level for me as car seats made of ray or shark skin and other luxury bullshit, nothing can justify a price that high, not even if Nogami-san handpicks and weaves the jeans.

 

yeah. it is! honestly i wouldnt go more the $1k for a pair and even that sounds ridiculous.

[Foxy2]

I can't rationalize much more than $600 for exceptional pieces - and that's certainly crazy.

[summ3rhays]

I saw the pic on IG, but didn't do the conversion on the cost.  Woah woah woah

[BrownMetallic]

Most expensive jeans I got is the 45RPM Fujimon, but that's cuz I dint pay the full retail__ 600 is about my ceiling on exceptional, to-dye-for denim, as well

[501XX4EVER]

I saw the picture of the jeans and the box earlier in the Samurai blog...

http://www.samurai-j.com/samurai/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2014ss-011.jpg

Still digging for more details - price is just ridiculous, but maybe it includes free shares in Samurai Jeans, Japan?

 

Anyone else find it weird that they have gone to all that trouble and expense and then made what appears to be a Lee repro??? Even the BiG collaborations are more "special".

[jbanger]

well, i ended up getting the 15th anniversary 710's in a sz 33 (i've never been larger than a 32 in anything so i feel ashamed haha). 31's were sold out and the 32's i could only do the very top button up - it was at uncomfortable ball cleavage/separation levels so i settled for the 33. looking forward to seeing how they go, as i'll now be retiring the momo's (sz 32/3yrs old) after their latest crotch blowout.

 

rhd?

[Foxy2]

^^ I would assume that since there is preferential treatment for the people directly involved in planting & harvesting the cotton that they have done a poll...

Also, it seems that models popular in Japan are different from the ones popular here on this forum.

Edited December 13, 2013 by Foxy2

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Maybe they wanted to let the speak the denim/coton for itself? What kind of pair you would have liked to see? No offense, just curious

[501XX4EVER]

Maybe they wanted to let the speak the denim/coton for itself? What kind of pair you would have liked to see? No offense, just curious

 

I don't know really, I just think if the cotton/denim is unique, that the cut should match it in terms of being, as I say, "special".

 

So I guess I would like to see something I haven't seen before.

 

But maybe a Lee repro. uses less denim/material than other cuts thereby making the whole project viable???

[lance]

I agree whole heartedly with the concept of letting denim speak for itself. But so far, I don't see it in this denim. There seems to be no exceptional beauty in the natural indigo color and nothing interesting in the texture. And, as for the details, they appear ordinary (with the exception of the leather). I just cannot conceive of why these jeans are special let alone why the price is so outrageous. my rant ends 

[dylanbooth78]

Mmmmm, those are pretty ridiculous, but then again I don't like spending £200 on a pair of jeans!! I think I may be a bit of a scrouge!!! , anyhow I just thought I would post an update on these, I have had them for ages but I grew out of them and I have now gone the other way ...

 

 

...sorry about the poor quality picture, my phone is playing up at the moment!

Edited December 13, 2013 by dylanbooth78

[Cold Summer]

Also, it seems that models popular in Japan are different from the ones popular here on this forum.

 

This, times a thousand.

 

In the West, the S710XX is most popular.  In Japan, (sadly) nobody wears those, it's all about the straight cuts.  Same with most of the other companies here (Flat Head and RJB are a bit of an exception, but they're a bit more progressive-minded in making slim tapered fits and stuff.) 

 

The Japanese market is more concerned with something that fits like a vintage pair of jeans than modern and form-fitting.  Actually, I'd go as far as to say the entire mindset is different: in Japan, jeans like these appeal because the wearer thinks, "If I wear these jeans, it makes me feel like I'm wearing well-preserved vintage clothing, or makes me feel like I'm a guy from the fifties!  These jeans make me feel more American!"  While most  of us Western denim fans think, "I enjoy wearing these jeans because the fit looks cool and the denim has an awesome texture and fading properties." 

 

That's not to say there's never overlap between the two, but this is a general mindset I've seen.  I am surrounded by people who work around and wear these kinds of jeans all the time, and I can safely say that none of them are as obsessed as me with the denim fading, details, etc.  Although to be fair, this might just be because I'm completely batshit crazy.

Edited December 13, 2013 by Cold Summer