Denim Blunders, Reflections and General Nonsense.

[Maynard Friedman]

Better get your tickets - pronto!

[DhaDha]

I have the same feeling. Lots of brands even do collab with denim boutique here, and some local brands here even make special run fabrics and collab with Japanese mills and brands. Although it is still in the minority, but everyone is kinda starting to look the same now on the street of Bangkok (selvedge denim, either workboots/converse, long wallet, heavy belt and T shirt).

[Max Power]

I browsed the nudie Website yesterday - the changed the tune on not washing raws on a few pairs. Slow Change, but towards the right direction.

Edited November 2, 2015 by Max Power

[Geeman]

I just got back from the carnival. It was insane, you've never seen so many people wearing selvedge and redwing in one place (at midday in 32 degrees heat!). I met the teams behind Fullcount PBJ Warehouse N&F Momotaro  TFH and Iron Heart. From a shopping perspective there is only a small selection of especially for the event collaboration.  Copped 3 tshirts. The guys from warehouse were so friendly, it was there first carnival and I think they were as in awe as I was! The older guy actually came to chat to me and keep me company in the queue to pay for the T's. 

IH were the centre of attention though, the Thai guys are mad for them closely followed by TFH. 

After a couple of hours I went and hit the pronto stores, copped a JMC shirt, SDA flannel and a RGT pullover. 

Pronto really have cornered the denim market over here and DhaDha is right, it's nearly uniform here now.

Few pics below 

Edited November 2, 2015 by Geeman

[Max Power]

Looks like an awesome Event. I would be in high debts afterwards.

[DhaDha]

the event seems awesome, too bad i got bogged down with work over the weekend and didn't make it in the end. 

 

i am by all means not against the flow of the indigo stream here in Bangkok (and Thailand in general). people can wear whatever they want to wear. But really while there are lots of people who are 'into' denim and boots and workwear, they are not 'into' these garments the same way the general population of Sufu is. What i mean is for most of them this is merely 'the next thing' in street fashion, much in the same way baggy jeans or surf wear were on-the-trend in the 90's and early 2000s. a general dive into some famous Thai denim forum reveals this well: all showy and no real substance. no talks about nuances and philosophical vexing about denim, garment and/or lifestyle, just people wearing jeans to get sick fades and show off their $$$ cop. the skewed popularity of a few certain brands really show this: these are the 'greatest' brands promoted and people just wouldn't look twice into other brands (mind you, they are great brands and i love them all), they don't tend to diverge from the norm, and even if i risk a negative rep i dare say most do not have a sense of putting the pieces together and make the sum greater than the whole. 

Mind you, there are truly passionate people who are really into this game for real and i have met a few of them, just that on the whole i think the kind of community being brewed up here isn't the kind of community you find in the western hemisphere or in japan. 

[cmboland]

the event seems awesome, too bad i got bogged down with work over the weekend and didn't make it in the end. 

 

i am by all means not against the flow of the indigo stream here in Bangkok (and Thailand in general). people can wear whatever they want to wear. But really while there are lots of people who are 'into' denim and boots and workwear, they are not 'into' these garments the same way the general population of Sufu is. What i mean is for most of them this is merely 'the next thing' in street fashion, much in the same way baggy jeans or surf wear were on-the-trend in the 90's and early 2000s. a general dive into some famous Thai denim forum reveals this well: all showy and no real substance. no talks about nuances and philosophical vexing about denim, garment and/or lifestyle, just people wearing jeans to get sick fades and show off their $$$ cop. the skewed popularity of a few certain brands really show this: these are the 'greatest' brands promoted and people just wouldn't look twice into other brands (mind you, they are great brands and i love them all), they don't tend to diverge from the norm, and even if i risk a negative rep i dare say most do not have a sense of putting the pieces together and make the sum greater than the whole. 

Mind you, there are truly passionate people who are really into this game for real and i have met a few of them, just that on the whole i think the kind of community being brewed up here isn't the kind of community you find in the western hemisphere or in japan. 

 

 

I completely agree. Any community is going to have their "uniform" If you go on reddit "fashion advice" threads you'll see the same outfits repeated and highly praised even though its generic and just copied. Same goes with those who get into raw denim then decide they want raw everything and eventually seem to ONLY wear Raw denim work shirt, jacket, indigo dyed accessories, raw denim, boots.

[Coolguyzack]

Same goes with those who get into raw denim then decide they want raw everything and eventually seem to ONLY wear Raw denim work shirt, jacket, indigo dyed accessories, raw denim, boots.

 

Stuff like that makes me cringe. I mean I love indigo as much as the next guy, but I hate seeing people make it a challenge lol

 

I'm looking at YOU, Mr Freedom:

[cmboland]

Stuff like that makes me cringe. I mean I love indigo as much as the next guy, but I hate seeing people make it a challenge lol

 

I'm looking at YOU, Mr Freedom:

 

 

EW

 

Maybe its just me but i dont want indigo dyed socks, t shirts because i dont want to become a smurf....

[Broark]

No problem with indigo tees, I have a few and they look nice.

But I tried the indigo socks thing and I guess it's just not my thing.

I don't like coming home, taking my socks off only to see my feet looking like I just smashed some blueberries with 'em.

[Iron Horse]

I'm regretting those indigo Samurai socks a bit. I'm hoping they don't continuously Smurfify my toes.

Speaking of random gripes: I'm always annoyed by people who buy denim jackets that are one (or two) sizes too small, to the point that they can't close the jacket. I just don't get this look.

Edited November 3, 2015 by Iron Horse

[itsbenhere]

Personally, as long as the rest of the jacket doesn't look too tight, I don't see too much wrong with it. If it at least looks like it could close that's good with me, I never ever wear my denim jacket closed...

Edited November 3, 2015 by itsbenhere

[bradl]

Personally, as long as the rest of the jacket looks too tight, I don't see too much wrong with it. If it at least looks like it could close that's good with me, I never ever wear my denim jacket closed...

This. Unless I'm walking into a breeze I'll do the middle button up. Might be different if I had a pair of ducks, to break up the denim. but feel it's a bit too much denim otherwise.

[Iron Horse]

Well, I might be an oddball, but I think it's fine to buy the right size and still wear it open:

 

[itsbenhere]

That looks perfect on him.

 

What I was saying is that I feel it's better to buy a jacket that has more proportions right (especially if only width in a denim jacket is too small), than sizing up so that you could wear it closed (which imo doesn't look good if it fits or not) and having the shoulders, sleeves, and length too long as a result.

[Iron Horse]

I certainly think one can buy the right size, close it, and have it look good.*   But, people will style these things as they like, regardless of my opinion.

 

*For example:

 

Edited November 3, 2015 by Iron Horse

[pudaspriest]

I personally wouldn't want a denim jacket I couldn't close up, I often button it up during the winter for warmth. I think it can look good either way but it is way less functional if you can't close it up. 

[Sugar Mountain]

I never imagined that people would buy a jacket that they couldn't button up, but hey... I would always fasten the middle button at the very least and I don't mind the tux look either. It's how it was worn back in the day.

[Blue Nemo]

i am seriously in love with this thread, yay!

 

 

a point often overlooked in sizing unsanforized denim: in my experience the waist always stretch back to almost or beyond pre soak measurement, something in which not a lot of people take into consideration and out of all denim boutique only selfedge seems to acknowledge it. 

 

i am not so sure that I'd like to support that statement. especially that Kiya stated in his latest interview the direct opposite.

 

for example, my Denime 66 have now after 120 days and 11 washes not stretched back to its pre soak measurements. at first i though i'd bought a size too big, but now i think it was the perfect size, especially that i would have ruined the 60's cut of the jeans by sizing down further.

 

this is not a general statement that works with every denim/jean. I know that FC and WH also tend to stretch over raw, then again SDA seems not too. after all, if you buy a jean one size too small, it easily tends to stretch back out more than it maybe should do.

[DhaDha]

well, yes, in my experience if you get unsanforized jeans that are an inch to big and they shrink down to your size, they tend to not stretch much anymore, but of you get the same jeans that are TTS before soak, then after soak and some wear they will stretch back to pre-soak measurement and even beyond. So, as far as waist is concerned, they can stretch a lot no matter the fabric (at least in my experience with about 10 pairs of unsanforized fabric), but if you size correctly they tend to not stretch much. other measurements, especially the thigh, curiously do not stretch back to pre-soak measurement. 

 

i have not read the latest Kiya interview, but on selfedge website in the description of all cotton jeans he always says that they will stretch up to an inch with some wear, whether sanforized or unsanforized, which is true in my experience. 

Edited November 3, 2015 by DhaDha

[pudaspriest]

well, yes, in my experience if you get unsanforized jeans that are an inch to big and they shrink down to your size, they tend to not stretch much anymore, but of you get the same jeans that are TTS before soak, then after soak and some wear they will stretch back to pre-soak measurement and even beyond. So, as far as waist is concerned, they can stretch a lot no matter the fabric (at least in my experience with about 10 pairs of unsanforized fabric), but if you size correctly they tend to not stretch much. other measurements, especially the thigh, curiously do not stretch back to pre-soak measurement. 

 

i have not read the latest Kiya interview, but on selfedge website in the description of all cotton jeans he always says that they will stretch up to an inch with some wear, whether sanforized or unsanforized, which is true in my experience. 

 

For me if i go an inch up in size on the waist on unsanforized they invariably stretch out to be an inch too big in the end. I am sure it can be different with certain denims but I have had better results with buying pairs that fit in the waist the way I want them pre-soak. I imagine this is partly do to the fact I have a bit of a belly and my jeans get more stress placed on them when I sit then the skinnier folk here. 

[Mr-Bielby]

I came home today to find my new maid ironing my jeans. She's on her final warning now.

[Sugar Mountain]

If your maid's from Indonesia, she might run away with your slimmest fitting Flat Heads...

[Mr-Bielby]

Lucky for me she's Burmese then. Thank god I stopped her before she managed to get all the creases out!

[Maynard Friedman]

...and put some new ones in, right down the middle of the legs!

[dwilson123]

I came home today to find my new maid ironing my jeans. She's on her final warning now.

 

Haha I can't help but laugh knowing we're here lamenting your maid ironing your $300 jeans.  It is like the most first world of first world problems.

 

But seriously I'd fire her

[Blue Nemo]

I am ironing my jeans after their wash. Inside-out though!

 

And dhadha, let me check the www, maybe i find his latest interview.

[Blue Nemo]

there you go

 

http://www.esquire.com/style/mens-fashion/a39178/kiya-babzani-self-edge-mexico/

[unorthodox]

"Buy the right size—don't size down—and wash your pants. It's very simple."

 

I love this.

[unorthodox]

I also just noticed it's my 5 year SUFU anniversary. Cool.