SUPERDENIM SMALL QUESTIONS THREAD (Use instead of making new threads)

[ATWM]

On 2/13/2026 at 9:12 AM, nick682 said:

I would not recommend science and kindness.  They do good work but their communication is terrible and it takes over a month to get a pair hemmed.  I tried them twice and will no longer use them.

Blue Owl is usually my choice, but it looks like they raised their price at some point. I'm considering iron shop provisions for my next hems. 

Thanks. Unfortunately this seems to track. Sent an inquiry long enough ago with no response still that I’ll look elsewhere. 

[Geeman]

Anyone having issues with SOAS hemming? Last 3 pairs have been a bit shoddy, the fold over has been so shallow it's not quite caught under the chainstitch. 

[Double 0 Soul]

1 hour ago, Hopethisoneisnttaken said:

And if somebody pukes on them. That’s about it for me. 

Last week i was moving the cat litter tray from the living room.. we put our cat in the living room overnight because he wakes me up at 3am to go out and play, i'm not great at sleeping so i'd lay awake till i get up for work at 6am leaving me tired the following day.. we put his litter tray on a platic tablecloth by the front door just in case he needs a wee..  in the morning, i move it by picking up the tablecloth so i don't have to touch the litter tray.. this particular morning he'd been sick on the tablecloth (quite considerate i thought.. he's usually sick on the windowsill) only a small blob so i wiped it up with kitchen roll.. washed my hands picked up the tablecloth and i felt some clear cat-juice (which i couldn't see) running down my legs.. i was wearing Woolpower baselayer leggins.. Ugh!

I couldn't not wear them because it's absolutely freezing at work so i wiped my legs down with kitchen roll.. put my track pants on and cycled to work, thinking, i'll wash them tonight .. fast fwd to Friday night.. my wife says "are you going to work in the car tomorrow?.. do you want me to wash your cycling gear?.. "yes please" do you want me to wash your baselayer too?

Then i realised i was still wearing it .. completely forgot about the cat-juice down the legs

[Double 0 Soul]

9 minutes ago, Geeman said:

Anyone having issues with SOAS hemming? Last 3 pairs have been a bit shoddy, the fold over has been so shallow it's not quite caught under the chainstitch. 

Oh no! .. i have a pair with them currently, will report back

My last few pairs have been excellent

[Double 0 Soul]

Following on from a convo in the Denime thread.. could I just ask a quick question.. who are our youngest forum members, how old are you and what are your 3 favourite brands?

@space_cowboy .. can you get the ball rolling please?

My kid tells me that Iron Heart, Oni et al are now considered ‘millennial meme-jeans’ because of the gimmicks 

Edited February 18 by Double 0 Soul

[indigoeagle]

1 hour ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Following on from a convo in the Denime thread.. could I just ask a quick question.. who are our youngest forum members, how old are you and what are your 3 favourite brands?

@space_cowboy .. can you get the ball rolling please?

My kid tells me that Iron Heart, Oni et al are now considered ‘millennial meme-jeans’ because of the gimmicks 

edit: Just read your other post in the other thread.
You are referring to vanishing demand by the the future buyers for these brands/items, that we're interested in.
I had misunderstood.

Not seeing the younger one's opinions as setting the tone. (edit off)

 

You're not succumbing to "ageism", are you?

 

Edited February 18 by indigoeagle

[Double 0 Soul]

7 minutes ago, indigoeagle said:

You're not succumbing to "ageism", are you?

Na, just  jeans-ism

[indigoeagle]

Just now, Double 0 Soul said:

Na, just  jeans-ism

😀
I also edited my post. Had just read your other one now.

[Double 0 Soul]

13 minutes ago, indigoeagle said:

edit: Just read your other post in the other thread.
You are referring to vanishing demand by the the future buyers for these brands/items, that we're interested in.

Precisely ^

[space_cowboy]

@Double 0 Soul I'm probably older than you think 😂...35. Got into denim in 2015. My very first pair was PBJ and my second was ONI. Now, neither of those brands interest me anymore lol. I only have two Iron Heart pieces, a type-3 jacket from ~8 years ago and an n-1 deck jacket I bought during a Black Friday sale last year, primarily for winter functionality and because I thought the all blacked out version looked cooler than other n-1 repros. I don't like their jeans and most of their other offerings though.

 

As I've gotten older my tastes have changed a bit. I think I remember @julian-wolf saying somewhere that the average denim enthusiast's journey often starts with brands with more 'out there' fabrics and cuts like PBJ, Oni, Samurai, etc. and then move onto the more repro/vintagefocused brands. I think I've followed that path somewhat. I really love TCB and brands like Toyo that have Sugar Cane and Buzz, but also have sub-labels that are also doing interesting (to me) things like with Gold and Moduct. I like Orslow for this reason too, but they can be pretty hit or miss.

[space_cowboy]

Oh - should also add my tastes have been influenced by other members here. I had to quit reddit and had no qualms about leaving r/rawdenim behind😅

[Double 0 Soul]

I thought you was still in your 20s.. but i know how you feel, folks often think i'm still in my 20s too 💪

[Double 0 Soul]

Ok.. so anyone under 35 here?

[Broark]

9 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Ok.. so anyone under 35 here?

Just barely. 

[julian-wolf]

I don’t think “young SuFu posters” is the demographic you’re looking for, so much as “people who know young non-SuFu posting jeans wearers”

I’m prob. one of the youngest folks here @ a spry 32, but I doubt I’d be here at all if I didn’t have a pretty conservative taste in jeans. Any 20-something who decides to start posting here isn’t doing so because they’re looking for another place to discuss what’s fashionable with their age group; they’re doing so because whatever’s fashionable with their age group doesn’t interest them. On the other hand, based on where I live & work I do end up seeing quite a few denim-heads of the younger & more fashionable generation, which offers an okay point of reference: as far as I can tell, ONI and Samurai are both still getting a lot of play

[Double 0 Soul]

What i'm trying to ascertain is.. will these current wearers of "meme-jeans" age into the SuFu demographic as they tire of the gimmicks (as per everyone else here) therefore giving us denim collectors hope of a future market?

[Double 0 Soul]

@Broark been around for'evs.. he must'av signed up here when he was 15

[Double 0 Soul]

4 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

what are your 3 favourite brands?

I'm still waiting @julian-wolf ^

[Broark]

4 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

@Broark been around for'evs.. he must'av signed up here when he was 15

Joined in March 2013 so I was 21 at the time, so not far off. 

[space_cowboy]

44 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

What i'm trying to ascertain is.. will these current wearers of "meme-jeans" age into the SuFu demographic as they tire of the gimmicks (as per everyone else here) therefore giving us denim collectors hope of a future market?

Is the ultimate goal to sell off your collection at some point? Or just feel proud that your collection is "valuable". 🙃

[okimoto]

@Double 0 Soul I'm 28 and only recently got into this in 2023... I agree with Julian's sentiment. Sufu was appealing more because it isn't adhering to trends as much and the interest and discussion for specific things goes deeper than what you'd find on Reddit or Instagram. Not sure how I was introduced to denim as an interest but it started out with Wrangler Cowboy Cuts and moved to super heavyweight slim fit jeans that got dangerously tight after the first wash... Then Samurai's in a relaxed tapered cut (carrot legs) and eventually Sugar Cane 1947s.

I have spent and wasted too much money due to sizing, trying to develop new tastes too quickly, etc. but feel like I've found things that at least kind of work with my body type and I like the look of. Now I've mostly got Freewheelers and Timeworn since they make pretty agreeable stuff, but I've got Sugar Cane, Flat Head, Warehouse, McCoy's, etc. as well

[reubensangwich]

2 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Following on from a convo in the Denime thread.. could I just ask a quick question.. who are our youngest forum members, how old are you and what are your 3 favourite brands?

@space_cowboy .. can you get the ball rolling please?

My kid tells me that Iron Heart, Oni et al are now considered ‘millennial meme-jeans’ because of the gimmicks 

I might be one of the few still in their 20's, and just barely at that as I'll turn 30 later on this year, so I'm probably not as young as you're looking for, although I'm not positive there are many other members who'd be younger, maybe @SLAYER or @okimoto?

Not sure I could narrow it down to 3 brands, but my top 2 are definitely Freewheelers and Sugar Cane as far as denim goes. And I really like what the very small brands like Ooe, Little Hand, Rockets, Neat Style, BOT, and Sakuras (I'd probably add CSF to this list if I had never read the thread and found out how pompous the owner/maker is) are doing with being so repro focused. I find myself checking out new releases from Jelado, Cushman, Buzz, and Colimbo fairly often, although that's not always denim. 

I think if you were to ask an early 20's jeans fan what brand they like they'd be more inclined to answer with a "Tik-Tok brand", Naked and Famous, or Oni. Naked and Famous is just the cheapest option for young folks who are uncomfortable spending $200+ on a pair of jeans, and Oni has a penchant for wide legged low rise cuts which lend themselves well to the early 2000's aesthetic that still seems to permeate youth fashion currently. 

As far as Iron Heart being millenial meme jeans, I'd say they're firmly in this category, not necessarily due to any gimmicks, but due to their cuts being all low rise/ tapered. 

[julian-wolf]

^ Based on the IH forum and on their Instagram presence, I’d be more likely to call Iron Heart Gen X meme jeans

[julian-wolf]

23 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

I'm still waiting @julian-wolf ^

Tender Co., Roy, The Vanishing West, pre-‘98 M-series…in no particular order

[Broark]

I was thinking about it the other day and it's kind of crazy how IH seemed to fall out of fashion so quickly.
I guess most of their fans migrated to their own forum naturally, but it's just not very common that you see their stuff discussed like it used to be.

[Double 0 Soul]

11 minutes ago, julian-wolf said:

^ Based on the IH forum and on their Instagram presence, I’d be more likely to call Iron Heart Gen X meme jeans

You're not wrong .. i think the "meme jeans" thing is just a catch all for 'jeans with gimmicks'

[UkeNo]

On 2/16/2026 at 8:13 PM, Geeman said:

Anyone having issues with SOAS hemming? Last 3 pairs have been a bit shoddy, the fold over has been so shallow it's not quite caught under the chainstitch. 

@Geeman

I had my Denime’s hemmed by them a couple of months ago. 
The stitching itself is good but the hem width is wider than I’d have hoped for. Fairly decent roping so far. 
Not in the league of my Word of Mouth jeans or Freewheelers hems by Hoosiers though, these are both excellent - by far the best I’ve ever had on any jeans.  

[Double 0 Soul]

37 minutes ago, space_cowboy said:

Is the ultimate goal to sell off your collection at some point? Or just feel proud that your collection is "valuable". 🙃

I already feel proud it's valuable.. in a cultural sense rather than monetary but that still wouldn't stop me selling it in a hearbeat ..for Pokemon money!

[Double 0 Soul]

I called it the Sufu demographic but it's currently, only that now.. it didn't used to be this and there is no guarantee that in the future it won't be something else.

Edited February 18 by Double 0 Soul

[yung_flynn]

3 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Ok.. so anyone under 35 here?

I would fall in this bucket since I will be 34 in a few months.

It's hard to list 3 favorite brands because I'm a serial dabbler, but I tend to like repros of jeans from WW2 to mid-50s. Rigorous historical accuracy is not necessary, but I'm not a fan of heavy tapers or heavily engineered fabrics. Samurai is a slight exception, but I tend to only like their more stripped back pairs and their older fabrics (15 oz Otokogi, 17 oz Zero).

I tend to like stuff from TCB, Sugar Cane, and Denime, especially older pairs for the latter 2. I also like many of the smaller brands, like Rockets. All things being roughly equal, I would rather support a smaller operation with a clearer line of sight to the people actually making, designing, and working the jeans. I like more brands than those listed above, but often I'm limited in practice by inseam since I need at least 83 cm in the washed state.

I actually had no clue what selvedge denim was until 2021, when I needed a new pair of jeans and stumbled across the term.  After some Googling, I realized that I had already had a mall brand pair from Express that I had only bought because it was my size and on extreme sale. The rise must have been <9" and they were super slim. I had no clue what they were and just wore them like any other pants.

Most of my 20's were spent as an ascetic, academic scientist who was not making much money and had little time, so I never thought much about clothes. Once I finally bailed on the academic life and had a good industrial research position and was making good money for the first time, I realized that I needed to finally buy some new clothes because I had essentially not bought any clothes since I was 18. I stumbled across RRL because I was interested in western stuff at that point and grabbed a sanforized, black selvedge pair. I liked them, but the sizing was off (too large in waist, too tight in thighs). Iron Heart tempted me, because any search for "Raw denim" or "selvedge denim" turns up a million hits for IH. However, the price always deterred me and I never quite bit. In early 2022, we took vacation to Taos, NM and stopped at a coffee shop. One regular customer was a cool older man who must have been in his 60s or older who was telling the barista about his selvedge denim and motorcycles. This enticed me to look up IH on Self Edge's site again. Instead, I stumbled across a post of a Sugar Cane 1955 restock. I had never realized that historical repros existed before then and I was really into film noir at that point. I did some more digging and learned about Warehouse, TCB, etc. I ended up buying a TCB 50s pair from Denimio. 

I ended up at SuFu after trying to learn more about details and history of different brands. I'm someone who likes minutiae, so I signed up.