Denim Blunders, Reflections and General Nonsense.

[Talan]

There won’t be too many foreign guests in Odesa this summer, what with the war and all. Maybe ten or fifteen—drifters out of time and place, drawn by their fondness for Ukrainian girls and blissfully deaf to the loud, unsettling noises of missiles and drones.

[Double 0 Soul]

Maybe Donny should lead by example and give Texas to the Mexicans?

[shredwin_206]

@Double 0 Soul@ATWM as much as I enjoy thrashing denim and seeing how they evolve. It’s getting so expensive. Might have to go back to my budget work jeans the wrangler 13MWZ. For $30 they’re tough as nails and actually fade quite well. 

[Double 0 Soul]

Does this mean I’m an influencer?

Finally some recognition around this place .. 

[smoothsailor]

See, internet is pretty cool^
 

i think we are the same age @Double 0 Soul so my internet life started probably in 2001. First just emails.

i was surprised to see how people spiced up their life’s on MySpace .

in real life “normal” online super intellectual , underground movies and music. And to top it off camp was the rage. Played all fields.

decided I was not gonna play. 
so mostly (window) shopping some tumblr. Discovers fora in 2007 ish, being not good with letters I was intimidated by it, but joined DB 2009 or so.

nowadays instagram it’s, fun , horrible, informative , bad advice. Brain dead past time.

 

[Talan]

2 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Maybe Donny should lead by example and give Texas to the Mexicans?

Or, if he’s that keen on soothing his dear friend Vladimir, returning Alaska might be a lovely place to start.

[Maynard Friedman]

He can return the 13 colonies to Britain too 🤣

[shredwin_206]

2 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Does this mean I’m an influencer?

Finally some recognition around this place .. 

well my Wife has asked for years why I buy expensive jeans. She says wrangler 13MWZ the pro rodeo are the best looking jeans on me. Maybe I should listen to my wife sometimes  

[Talan]

37 minutes ago, Maynard Friedman said:

He can return the 13 colonies to Britain too 🤣

And Louisiana to France

[ATWM]

@Talan I’ve seen you mention your situation a few times here now and I just wanted to say I’m sorry for the insanity your country is going through. This is a nonsense thread, and that indeed is nonsense. Unfortunately I’ve heard a few firsthand accounts of things since this all started from some Ukrainian friends and just…yeah. It’s hope it ends soon and that you stay safe. 

@Double 0 Soul I think the reason this forum has stayed sane, in part, is the no politics policy (hopefully acknowledgement of being in a war and it sucking is not considered as such) - and people coming together around a common interest. 4 Chan, at least from what I understand, is quite a different beast. 

I think my household was a relatively early adopted of the internet. Probably logged on in 1995 or so for games then - I went through all of the shit, starting on AOL Instant Messenger. Yes MySpace and early Facebook. There used to be a sense of wonder and discovery and a lot humor and just amazing weirdness. Tumblr was sort of the beginning of the end in my personal recollection.

The commercialization of everything did indeed make all the good stuff much harder to find. Like a funky town with good affordability might have a ton of strange shops and co-ops but then it gets killed when too a critical mass of people become interested.

Though I had started earlier, I really learned photography on a forum called skateboardphotography.com in 2004 or so - it was run by a German dude and was a pretty tight ship with scathing critiques and a real attitude of wanting to improve amongst the posters. Some skilled photographers were on there and shared their industry experience working for mags like Thrasher and Transworld. It launched a few solid careers in photography. I learned more on that forum - with regards to the craft of photography - than I did in university or in graduate school for art - and mostly because the critical culture was very tough but very fair and with a common goal. Defensiveness would essentially get you bounced. You could disagree, but you’d have to show why in your work to make the argument. It’s amazing how gentle the critiques have to be in institutions now. That’s a side rant, but yeah.

There were a lot of good threads on technical topics with film, processing, lighting and all of it (before digital was very good). All member generated and highly relevant. We had to pay a subscription fee of like $25 or something, which felt like a big ask for a bunch of grimey broke skaters. I remember after just about a year the founder just took the site offline with no warning and ran off with a bunch of new subscriber’s fees. Another forum followed it but it was nowhere near as good and the community was too big and chaotic. Since then I’ve made it a point to make sure anything I really care about online is something I am hosting myself. 

@shredwin_206 yea - similarly if I were in your shoes I’d probably be in Carhartts or Dickies etc. (I can’t pull off Wranglers)

Edited April 25 by ATWM

[Double 0 Soul]

Yeah but.. was it as good as the kickflipping out of coffins thread?

[shredwin_206]

@ATWM yea i’m a wrangler 13MWZ guy. Carhartt and dickies are bit too low of a rise and way too damn baggy for my liking. 

[Talan]

53 minutes ago, ATWM said:

@Talan I’ve seen you mention your situation a few times here now and I just wanted to say I’m sorry for the insanity your country is going through. This is a nonsense thread, and that indeed is nonsense. Unfortunately I’ve heard a few firsthand accounts of things since this all started from some Ukrainian friends and just…yeah. It’s hope it ends soon and that you stay safe. 

 

I always find it a bit puzzling when war is called politics — just an observation. To me, they seem like very different things. But anyway, I guess it’s hard to understand from the outside.

And, I’m doing well, thank you.

[ATWM]

25 minutes ago, Talan said:

I always find it a bit puzzling when war is called politics — just an observation. To me, they seem like very different things. But anyway, I guess it’s hard to understand from the outside.

And, I’m doing well, thank you.

I do too, but, well, things get pulled in weird directions sometimes. It’s probably a damning sign of the times I guess that I even felt the need to qualify that. But glad you’re well.

[chicote]

7 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Maybe Donny should lead by example and give Texas to the Mexicans?

And California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah and Nevada too while you're at it!!! Can't tell you how many times i have thought about that this year...

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Or give it all back to the different native Americans while we are at it?! 

[Maynard Friedman]

Utah can go back to the raptor fossils

[Double 0 Soul]

2 hours ago, ATWM said:

 

@Double 0 Soul I think the reason this forum has stayed sane, in part, is the no politics policy (hopefully acknowledgement of being in a war and it sucking is not considered as such) - and people coming together around a common interest. 4 Chan, at least from what I understand, is quite a different beast.

It's more similar than you give it credit for.. .. from memory, the guy who established 4Chan (moot) used to post on Something Awful.. there was some internet beef over furry culture spreading over numerous threads, he was banned, he set up 4Chan where furries could chat without oppression.. (akin to Denimbro ) other threads popped up loosly based around anime.. and eventually a stickies page.

 

.. all quite harmless.. but because folks posted anon, and nothing was archived folks could say what the hell they wanted so the early days it had a strong libertarian lean.. but with this backdrop it really was the wild west.. a breading groud for hackers, meme culture.. the birth of the modern interwebz.

Eventually the forum was split into blue screen SFW or pink screen NSFW which i'm not going to post (sufu also had similar NSFW threads in this era) so as not to deter advertising revenue.

.. the /pol thread was only set up to keep politics out of the other threads but it became a breeding ground for the worst of human nature.. it singlehandedly birthed the alt-right.. moot quit after GamerGate, a million terrible, terrible things happened, on the flip a million good things happened which we hear less about, it's like trying to sum up human nature in a paragraph.. i still think the bad far outweighs the good but that doesn't mean the good didn't happen.. but for a casual observer like me.. absolutely fascinating!

A bunch of Soyjacks who were banned from 4Chan hacked the forum, exposed the sourcecode and the mods personal deets and logs.. incredible drama!..  i'm not sad that 4Chan is gone.. i'm just sad at what the internet has become and these links to the old web are gradually being erased.

 

[indigoeagle]

30 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

It's more similar than you give it credit for.. .. from memory, the guy who established 4Chan (moot) used to post on Something Awful.. there was some internet beef over furry culture spreading over numerous threads, he was banned, he set up 4Chan where furries could chat without oppression.. (akin to Denimbro ) other threads popped up loosly based around anime.. and eventually a stickies page.

 

.. all quite harmless.. but because folks posted anon, and nothing was archived folks could say what the hell they wanted so the early days it had a strong libertarian lean.. but with this backdrop it really was the wild west.. a breading groud for hackers, meme culture.. the birth of the modern interwebz.

Eventually the forum was split into blue screen SFW or pink screen NSFW which i'm not going to post (sufu also had similar NSFW threads in this era) so as not to deter advertising revenue.

.. the /pol thread was only set up to keep politics out of the other threads but it became a breeding ground for the worst of human nature.. it singlehandedly birthed the alt-right.. moot quit after GamerGate, a million terrible, terrible things happened, on the flip a million good things happened which we hear less about, it's like trying to sum up human nature in a paragraph.. i still think the bad far outweighs the good but that doesn't mean the good didn't happen.. but for a casual observer like me.. absolutely fascinating!

A bunch of Soyjacks who were banned from 4Chan hacked the forum, exposed the sourcecode and the mods personal deets and logs.. incredible drama!..  i'm not sad that 4Chan is gone.. i'm just sad at what the internet has become and these links to the old web are gradually being erased.

 

Wasn't there also an 8chan or so?
Sure, I could google it (like some people nowaday reply when you ask them something), but I prefer your insight on it

[Double 0 Soul]

Japan had a 2Chan message board.. then 4Chan^ mentioned above (i think the difference was 2Chan was txt based, 4Chan was image).. then a bunch of 4Chan users got banned for discussing the very worst crimes / against 4Chan policy.. so 8Chan was established (hosted i think in the Philippines) so these dregs of society could discuss.

Edited April 25 by Double 0 Soul

[Maynard Friedman]

I’m already on 16Chan

[Talan]

2 hours ago, ATWM said:

I do too, but, well, things get pulled in weird directions sometimes. It’s probably a damning sign of the times I guess that I even felt the need to qualify that. But glad you’re well.

Osho said: The so-called normal man is asleep, living mechanically. War is the ultimate expression of this sleepwalking. To awaken is to transcend both war and the madness we call peace...

So I am pretty much busy transcending.

[shredwin_206]

@Double 0 Soul we need an update on your pantry. What’s your peanut butter go to these days? 
I’ve been a Teddie’s super chunky fan for a while but always looking to try others 

[space_cowboy]

I'm in the market for some swim wear for an upcoming trip and came across these from Mister Freedom.

I can only imagine the looks I would get rocking these bad boys poolside, but the swim fades could be extraordinary. Right!? 

[Double 0 Soul]

6 minutes ago, space_cowboy said:

I'm in the market for some swim wear for an upcoming trip and came across these from Mister Freedom.

I can only imagine the looks I would get rocking these bad boys poolside, but the swim fades could be extraordinary. Right!? 

Nah.. don't do it man, no fades are worth that.. those fitpics look like adult *nappy-carehome steeze to me

*daiper

Do they have an elasticated hem?

[space_cowboy]

2 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Nah.. don't do it man, no fades are worth that.. those fitpics look like adult *nappy-carehome steeze to me

*daiper

Do they have an elasticated hem?

Hahaha, no I think they're as uncomfortable as they look. You're right though, the fit has a striking resemblance to a Depends Adult Diaper. 

[Double 0 Soul]

4 hours ago, shredwin_206 said:

@Double 0 Soul we need an update on your pantry. What’s your peanut butter go to these days? 
I’ve been a Teddie’s super chunky fan for a while but always looking to try others 

I'll check it out.. not much really Edwin, unless i go 'artisan' i've worked my way through the range of 'off the shelf' nut butters.. i need to get TG on the proxy phone!

I tried 'ManLife' on maynards recommendation.. the consistancy was way too runny for my liking, might have been a bad batch, there was a lot of surface oil which is usually a good sign but once i'd mixed it in, i scooped some out of the jar on the knife and it ran off the knife onto the chopping board.. just thick liquid, when i was eating it, it was sliding off the bread onto the plate (damn you maynard, insert shakey fist emoji) tasted great tho!

I made bacon and maple syrup on a lightly toasted hotcross bun for Easter..

[Double 0 Soul]

Looks good but costs the equivalent of $50 for a 16oz jar overe here Ed.. £30 +£8 ship

[shredwin_206]

4 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Looks good but costs the equivalent of $50 for a 16oz jar overe here Ed.. £30 +£8 ship

Oh wow. That’s insane prices.  Geez

[bartlebyyphonics]

On 2/25/2025 at 3:36 AM, oomslokop said:

Did you jump onboard or not../ how fking sufu actually are you?

Size down craze.. No

Slept in jeans.. Yes 

Diors.. No

Fancy wallet.. Yes,  No!No!Yes! origami wallet (still use it to this day)

Engineer boots.. No

Ocean wash.. No

Resolute washing / fit having previously not.. No

Never washing.. No (live in the tropics)

Coffee wash.. No

Slubby or streaky.. None

Heavy oz denimz.. 17oz heaviest ever (Tender denim)

Joined a contest.. No

Joined a tour.. Yes (@Bobbo's Warehouse tour on sufu, @Duke Mantee's Bootleggers and Leroy Strauss tours on Denimbro)

APC.. No

Fancy washing detergent.. No

Worn denim while raw.. Yes

Paid for an expensive repair.. No

Wallet jewelry.. No

Numerous pairs of very expensive boots.. Not boots but shoes

Numerous pairs of identical jeans.. No

Numerous fancy leather belts.. Just one, Tender belt, love it still

Native American Japanese jewelry.. Hell no

Jacket suitable for the Arctic.. No (live in the tropics)

Unreadable Japanese language magazines.. Yes yes

Dressed like a sailor.. No

Dressed like a miner.. No

Dressed like an urban lumberjack.. No

Mill repro.. Yes

Dressed like a railway worker.. No

Stacked.. Yes (Dry Bones, loved it, inseam was a crazy totally impractical 39 inch!)

Starch..No

Freezer.. No

Fancy socks.. Yes

Handmade English shoes.. Yes Cheaney FTW

Whites Semi Dress.. No

Discharge print.. Yes

Own less than 10% of the clothing you bought since joining.. Yes

Photo of jeans in bathtub.. No 

Wore jeans wet.. No way

£2000 leather jacket.. No

Numerous repro denim jackets all from same era.. No

Colored weft denim: No

Has at least a decade's worth of denim in the closet, unworn? No. Have basically stopped buying sufu or even sufu-adjacent clothing. Want some Tender shirts but no moolah

Bought jeans nobody else owned.. No but have a Rising Sun prototype jacket only 6 of which were ever made (apparently). got me recognized by other sufu members in london not once but twice

Barf / Man stain / Shit oneself in jeans.. Not really into scat

Denim meet up - Yes with @bartlebyyphonics we spent half a day walking around savile row, soho, and environs checking out galleries and some shops (clutch) discussing everything from at last co's weirdly weak top button to hito steyerl. it was a lovely day. thanks bartles!

EDIT to add

Used a proxy/Google-translated email to buy something from a Japanese shop…Yes many love letters to 2nd

Posted photos of myself wearing denim-related clothing to a bunch of strangers on a public forum… I have GAD and depression not NPD

Please contribute..

it’s true we met and it was lovely!

my attempt:

Did you jump onboard or not../ how fking sufu actually are you?

Size down craze.. Hell No

Slept in jeans.. Often: laziness mostly

Diors.. pfff

Fancy wallet.. never no

Engineer boots.. Hell Yes

Ocean wash.. No

Resolute washing / fit having previously not.. No

Never washing.. No: always washing

Coffee wash.. No

Slubby or streaky.. a little slubby sometimes: early kurabo lvc had some streak to it

Heavy oz denimz.. tender 16/17oz count?

Joined a contest.. On my third?

Joined a tour.. No

APC.. No

Fancy washing detergent.. no

Worn denim while raw.. No

Paid for an expensive repair.. No

Wallet jewelry.. No

Numerous pairs of very expensive boots.. define expensive? most pricey £700

Numerous pairs of identical jeans.. not quite

Numerous fancy leather belts.. no, sorry @Duke Mantee

Native American Japanese jewelry.. No: but in dead parents jewellry did find indigenous ring and cuffs: contemplated getting some japanese stuff to add to them: have found better navajo examples…

Jacket suitable for the Arctic.. not yet

Unreadable Japanese language magazines.. Yes

Dressed like a sailor.. No

Dressed like a miner.. yes

Dressed like an urban lumberjack.. daily

Mill repro.. ?

Dressed like a railway worker.. ?

Stacked.. Never

Starch..No

Freezer.. No

Fancy socks.. No

Handmade English shoes.. yes

Whites Semi Dress.. No

Discharge print.. no

Own less than 10% of the clothing you bought since joining.. no: keep 80% give rest away

Photo of jeans in bathtub.. obs

Wore jeans wet..Yes

£2000 leather jacket.. not yet: £500 is the limit

Numerous repro denim jackets all from same era.. Yes: type 1 is king

Bought jeans nobody else owned.. no

Barf / Man stain / Shit oneself in jeans.. not yet: keeping trying

Please contribute..

jewellry from 70s - bought in canada i believe but screams south west…

then more recent navajo purchases: ring from two feathers in brighton (unpolished turquoise: hefty ring), the cuff stamped ‘nora’ made by nora tahe bill: beefy 4lb hammer work…

 

Edited April 27 by bartlebyyphonics