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[tjsma]

Hi. I’m in the UK. I just received a (Sag Harbor) shirt that I ordered from Desolation Row. I was very pleased with the service (and love the shirt). I’m curious why people order through Hoosier / Seiichiro, who, from what I gather on here, buys from Desolation Row himself. Cheers

[UkeNo]

10 hours ago, tjsma said:

Hi. I’m in the UK. I just received a (Sag Harbor) shirt that I ordered from Desolation Row. I was very pleased with the service (and love the shirt). I’m curious why people order through Hoosier / Seiichiro, who, from what I gather on here, buys from Desolation Row himself. Cheers

He might buy wholesale from Desolation Row. We’re not paying over Japanese retail price, so how else would they make profit? 
 

I use Hoosier because they’re very easy to communicate with, very helpful with questions and sizing and will source items if you ask too. 
Basically a very good store run by friendly people. 

[JDelage]

In addition to what @UkeNo said about Hoosier's level of service, I'd add that for a given product, Hoosier will be cheaper because Seiichiro-san will remove the Japanese sales tax from the price, while Desolation Row does not (or did not when I used them last year).

[Duke Mantee]

11 hours ago, tjsma said:

Hi. I’m in the UK. I just received a (Sag Harbor) shirt that I ordered from Desolation Row. I was very pleased with the service (and love the shirt). I’m curious why people order through Hoosier / Seiichiro, who, from what I gather on here, buys from Desolation Row himself. Cheers

Seiichiro doesn’t ‘buy’ from Desolation Row - he’s a retailer proper.

However, on occasion, he has bought items (from Desolation Row, Yahoo etc) via his own personal bank account to help a gaijin … that’s service

Fortunately although you did buy from DR it’ll still probably be cheaper than Son of a Stag even though you live in the UK

Edited January 12, 2023 by Duke Mantee

[Duke Mantee]

30 minutes ago, UkeNo said:

He doesn’t buy wholesale from Desolation Row. We’re not paying over Japanese retail price, so how else would they make profit? 
 

I use Hoosier because he’s very easy to communicate with, very helpful with questions and sizing and will source items if you ask too. 

Basically a very good store run by a friendly person. 

 

fixed for you

Edited January 12, 2023 by Duke Mantee

[Talan]

18 hours ago, tjsma said:

Hi. I’m in the UK. I just received a (Sag Harbor) shirt that I ordered from Desolation Row. I was very pleased with the service (and love the shirt). I’m curious why people order through Hoosier / Seiichiro, who, from what I gather on here, buys from Desolation Row himself. Cheers

Seiichiro-san is unbeatable help and very friendly. For us lazy foreigners who are unable to communicate with Japanese store personnel in Japanese and have obvious difficulty buying online, this is invaluable.

[tjsma]

Thanks all. I was under the impression Hoosier offered a proxy service rather than being a retailer in their own right. Thanks for clearing this up for me. I’ll give Hoosier a go next time. 
 

Buying from Desolation Row was certainly much cheaper than from Son of a Stag - including shipping, I paid about 60% of what SoaS are charging.

[shredwin_206]

Posting for my white whale item if anyone ever sees a painted desert shirt in 17 please tell me @CSL sent me link while back but it was a size 16. 

[julian-wolf]

^ Looking for any particular version? I have a green cotton / wool one in 17 that doesn’t fit

(The fabric they used for these shrinks up very weird; if you’re normally a 17 you may find you need a 17 1/2)

[shredwin_206]

@julian-wolf which one green version. Don’t think I’ve seen that 

[fresh1]

I've been considering getting another black pair, and those 601b's look like a perfect cut.  However, I've checked all of the sites I can find and nobody has them in stock (or maybe 1 size that isn't mine).  Do any of you know if that was a limited production or a standard production that is just due for a restock? Has anybody seen a store lately with pairs in the size 34 or 36 range in stock? 

Also, is there a difference in the cut between the 601b and the 601rb? Or is the denim the only difference? 

[JMS]

@fresh1 There is no difference in the cut between the 601b and 601rb. You might have luck messaging Hoosier on Instagram if they have any of either in stock. 

[julian-wolf]

@shredwin_206 Had to go back through my Yahoo history to check—the model is #1333008, and it’s actually a 17 1/2 (and is still too small across the shoulders—go figure). Here’s the original listing: https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g490535604

[shredwin_206]

The 601b and 601rb are nearly souls out everywhere. Hoosier only has some small sizes left. 
My buddy wanted a pair after he saw mine and Hoosier said it’s not in stock anywhere 

[julian-wolf]

Still really wish I’d gone for the 601b before they sold out…I didn’t expect it to happen nearly as quickly as it did

[shredwin_206]

The 601b is quickly becoming one of my fav pairs. It’s fades and ropes like crazy very fast compared to their regular indigo denim. 

[MJF9]

I'd been waiting for a dry day with sunshine to wash my S516 XX... today was good for it...

I washed it at 40C - there'll be shrinkage as I'd previously only washed at 30C and only once  

Pre-wash pics... not much wear showing up but I've worn it quite a bit these last 12 months... great jacket, glad to have it

Edited January 15, 2023 by MJF9

[julian-wolf]

On 12/1/2022 at 12:01 PM, julian-wolf said:

Is there precedent for Freewheelers using the same fabrics as other companies? I’ve gotten the impression that most of what they use is made to spec, but I recently picked up a flannel Stromberg shirt (1533006) and the fabric is a dead match to the fabric used by The Flat Head for their HN-52 and related shirts. Works out well for me—it’s a long-time favorite—but it does come as a bit of a surprise. Anyone have further info?

On 12/2/2022 at 12:35 PM, Duke Mantee said:

It’s very possible Julian - a lot of their fabrics are very much their own design - but not all. They always use their own threads and hardware AFAIK. There’s been a couple of fabrics I thought ‘looked familiar’ and I asked the same question … both times it was demonstrated they were different regardless of how similar they looked.

The Stromberg fabric does look like that Flathead shirt fabric (reversed) but I think I see slight differences in the weave too … but that’s only by looking at different pics (I have the Stromberg but never owned FH shirts)

On 12/2/2022 at 2:09 PM, julian-wolf said:

Good info, thanks. I’m pretty sure it’s a dead match (besides, as you say, being reversed), but will lay out the two next to each other later on and take some photos to compare more directly.

Tough to do a direct comparison since my HN-52 is pretty heavily worn, but:

[Duke Mantee]

I’d say that’s the same fabric - I can’t see any obvious differences. Only the hand and the yarn could yield a variation but I absolutely trust you in that respect 

[unders]

17 hours ago, MJF9 said:

Pre-wash pics... not much wear showing up but I've worn it quite a bit these last 12 months... great jacket, glad to have it

Looking good @MJF9. In my experience blanket-lined jackets take an age to wear, but do yield up some lovely less contrasting blues. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by unders

[UkeNo]

On 1/14/2023 at 6:14 PM, fresh1 said:

I've been considering getting another black pair, and those 601b's look like a perfect cut.  However, I've checked all of the sites I can find and nobody has them in stock (or maybe 1 size that isn't mine).  Do any of you know if that was a limited production or a standard production that is just due for a restock? Has anybody seen a store lately with pairs in the size 34 or 36 range in stock? 

Also, is there a difference in the cut between the 601b and the 601rb? Or is the denim the only difference? 

I was told by the Hoosier guys that the 601rb wouldn’t be back until the spring. 
I was also hunting for a 33 or 34. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by UkeNo

[l13902733261]

Just got thoes 2022aw blank N-1,monstrous of a jacket weight like a dead mule

Was tempting to get the new "S-3" winter flying jacket but after receiving this thing I realize that would have been overkill for the harsh 57f winter here, their regular 70&30 blend lining is already build for the arctic circle.

[MJF9]

9 hours ago, unders said:

Looking good @MJF9. In my experience blanket-lined jackets take an age to wear, but do yield up some lovely less contrasting blues. 

Cheers Unders... how is that blanket lined beauty of yours coming along?

[unders]

@MJF9 At a snail’s pace. Should wear it more. 

[MJF9]

It's the right weather for it +++ more layers on top... and that's just in the house tonight

[Broark]

Something a little different, picked these up on Yahoo for cheap. Seems to me that they're basically unworn.
...my wife hates them.

[Maynard Friedman]

I think you should listen to your wife 

[Broark]

17 minutes ago, Maynard Friedman said:

I think you should listen to your wife 

They're definitely not for everyone, I've seen a few Japanese guys on Instagram wearing them and they seem to pull them off well enough.
The fabric is nice and light, good for the spring and summer.

[shredwin_206]

I could use those for working construction. 

[Duke Mantee]

They make such a great range of overalls, but I was never too keen on the front pocket shape of those

Edited January 17, 2023 by Duke Mantee