The Flat Head

[Soks]

Hah! Oh well, I guess I'll just order a pair in 31 from Self Edge and exchange if they seem like they'll be too small post soak. Thanks guys.

[Ponyboy312]

The 3001-A Natural Indigo Mix, which uses a blend of conventional pure indigo and natural indigo in the warp threads. These jeans don't fade like most natural dyed jeans; there's a beautifully faded pair here in the office that has the same contrast as other FH jeans, but with a really nice aquamarine tint that's different from any other denim I've seen.

 

Kyle, or ANYONE, can you post or PM me some fade pics of the 3001-A or 3005-A's.  Thinking of copping a pair, but I want to see what they fade like first...Ive read other places that natural indigo wont really fade much...but these are supposed to.  Thanks!

Edited January 29, 2014 by Ponyboy312

[shoreman]

Just to add to that, I was told a recent batch of size 36 3009s came in at 34" waist pre-soak. And lf memory serves me correctly, the way FH jeans are constructed, they're not all that fun to "stretch to fit."

[itsbenhere]

For the upper block (not the thigh) they're actually super easy. Every time mins get a wash they hit 30 but go back to 32 in just a few hours.

[tmadd]

Tyler is obviously more knowledgable on this than myself, but I had to sell my size 32 3009s because they measured 30.5 in the waist presoak. Just a thought.

 

I've measured all of SEPDX's 3009s, and they are consistently measuring at tagged size, meaning that with a soak you can expect an inch of shrink in the waist...another half inch if you wash them in the machine. 

 

Hah! Oh well, I guess I'll just order a pair in 31 from Self Edge and exchange if they seem like they'll be too small post soak. Thanks guys.

 

 I will almost always ignore when people talk about their own waist measurements (true waist size), in favor of comparing measured jeans to measured jeans.  Similarly, I'll usually stick to comparing jeans I know size to size, and seeing as a 2009 in 29 works, but is a little tight, a 31, or 32 should do the trick.  If you want to wash the hell out of the jeans (I like doing this, especially with FH) 32 might be more comfortable, but the 31 shouldn't be impossible.

[Soks]

Yeah, I agree regarding true waist size. Mine tends to fluctuate a bit anyway depending on weekly alcohol consumption! I'm gonna try the 31 first and if its roomy enough in the waist pre-soak, I'll keep em. I'm not worried about any of the other measurements--thighs would have to shrink something crazy to end up too small.

[reallypeacedoff]

I also agree.

 

I have never had to return a pair of jeans before or sell them because they don't fit me. Find your best fitting pair and measure, it's not hard. Work out shrinkage and stretch and think about initial comfort level and size accordingly. For me, I have always gone pre-soak to fit me straight off the bat as far as waist is concerned. Granted I am 6'3" and slim. I always hot soak so that there is no surprises and I don't have to worry down the road what jean needs to be cold soaked and what one needs to be warm soaked and which one needs to be hot soaked. Braving the initial tightness (between 30 minutes to 3 days depending on denim) has never been a big deal. The initial discomfort is worth it down the road when my jeans reach a year or two and I don't need to wear a belt to keep them up if need be.

 

Call it OCD but I have actually done a spreadsheet of all my jeans with measurements and averages so that I can easily refer to it when a new jean comes out. That way I don't have to re-measure all the time and I can easily work out the fit based on other jeans that I own. 

 

When people go on here and say, my waist is 32" or I wear size 29 in APC or I'm 34" waist, should I go TTS? (Is that pre-soak or post soak fit?), there's too many variables that can make for a wrong recommendation. 

[Geeman]

Agreed I have a note on my phone with the exact measurements of my favourite pair that I refer to when considering my next purchase 

[Cold Summer]

MaxPower, I completely agree about the belts.  The leather is ultra thick and really rich with character (I'm crazy about the texture on the inside of my belt), the stitching is really nice and a step up from the screws most companies use for belts like this, and the plate buckle makes a great visual impression without being too over-the-top.  I can't think of a good reason to ever buy another veg tan cowhide belt unless if I lose mine or something.

[Max Power]

Best Thing: a 36 fits right in the middle hole, I am picky about such things. I only hope that the buckle is gentle on my tees, I end up with holes on all of them - and the edges seem to be  rather sharp.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Max Power

[oboy_oboy]

I did some searching in the thread, but I'm looking for a little more comparison between the 3009 and the 3002. I've tried on the 3009 and like the fit a lot. It's what I was planning on getting but then started looking at the 3002 for a smaller hem.

 

Are the top blocks nearly the same? I'd take a 32 in the 3009 and I don't really want anything slimmer in the thigh, but a little more taper below the knee could be just right. 

[itsbenhere]

Dude, go for the 3009.  you'll thank me... its such a great cut and very small leg openings/strong tapers don't even look good.  The 3009 is the perfect combination of comfort and slimness without sacrificing a natural look.  

[oboy_oboy]

Dude, go for the 3009.  you'll thank me... its such a great cut and very small leg openings/strong tapers don't even look good.  The 3009 is the perfect combination of comfort and slimness without sacrificing a natural look.  

Thanks. I'm leaning that way. I don't like super strong tapers, but I'm long and lean, so some taper helps me. But I'm leaning towards just the blend you're talking about!

[tmadd]

I did some searching in the thread, but I'm looking for a little more comparison between the 3009 and the 3002. I've tried on the 3009 and like the fit a lot. It's what I was planning on getting but then started looking at the 3002 for a smaller hem.

 

Are the top blocks nearly the same? I'd take a 32 in the 3009 and I don't really want anything slimmer in the thigh, but a little more taper below the knee could be just right. 

 

Top blocks aren't very similar at all.  The 3002 is significantly trimmer than the 3009.

[itsbenhere]

And it's not even like the hem width on the 3009 is large at all.  My 33's measure about 7.8", I really don't know why they don't look strange considering they have a very full thigh.

[Kyle@TFH]

3002 has a lower rise and slimmer thigh, the 3009 has a longer rise, and more room in the thigh. 

[Soks]

Made the trip in to SESF instead of ordering. Ended up going with a 32 in the 3009. 31 fit but had no room for shrinkage, though gave me a decent idea of what the size 32 will fit like after a wash. Stoked on it! Will post pics after a soak or wash and hem job.

[Kobe Beef]

I hope that wedgie disappears after the soak.

 

 

Well, it didn't go away completely just yet but I guess after a second soak and few wears I'm hoping it will look fine.

 

The inseam shrunk less than I thought so they are going back to the tub. Other than that, I'm quite happy with the fit:

 

[itsbenhere]

Those look good.... If you want to lose all the shrinkage just hot wash them and then they'll hit 33" and you'll be done with it.

[reallypeacedoff]

I have found 3XXX denim to shrink a fair bit on several soaks. I soaked my BSPs 3 times and found them to shrink the most on the second soak but also a little bit on the third.

[Danny @ Rivet & Hide]

Of all The Flat Head fits this us one that just gets better with wear. As the denim settles and the creases form the jeans just look and fit better. Post some images in a month as a comparison.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Danny @ Rivet & Hide

[Cold Summer]

That is one nice fit.  It'll probably get even better after those are fully shrunk.

[jbanger]

Just scored a slightly used FH OB 001 belt. Can't wait to get it.

 

 

Fuck that's a nice belt.

[Cold Summer]

Check out these awesome 20 oz. fades, courtesy of the Thai site Selvedge Forum.  The one on top is the 2011 (3001 fit), bottom is PROXFH20oz (3002/BSP fit.)

 

[Sugar Mountain]

If I'm honest, those look really ugly. Obviously people have different tastes but they look almost pre-distressed given how high contrast they are. I'm a much bigger fan of the Flat Head jeans that have been given regular washes and achieve a more balance fade.

[bod]

That bottom pair with a third of the inseam concertinaed around the ankles. Fucking urggh!

[Broark]

I've got to say 2111s look nothing like that. A lot less contast so far as I've washed mine a few times in the machine. There really stubborn so far.

[summ3rhays]

Check out these awesome 20 oz. fades, courtesy of the Thai site Selvedge Forum.  The one on top is the 2011 (3001 fit), bottom is PROXFH20oz (3002/BSP fit.)

 

IMO. Wear them the way you like. Wash or don't wash. Those kick ass

[summ3rhays]

Eff. I swear I deleted the image. One of my pet peeves. Sorry.

[exaptavist]

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Edited October 12, 2015 by hoggreaser