Roy. (expurgated edition)

[eeejayaich]

I saw those KSs. They were going for a fair price as well. That’s probably why they only lasted a couple of days.  I got an unworn pair not too long ago and they quickly became my favorite pair. The denim seems to age a bit quicker than the black seed and the cut is perfect. 

[jegr]

Here are the raw measurements of the size 32 Indigo Lovers.

Waist - 16.5” (waistband pulled tight)

Front Rise - 13”

Back Rise - 17.5”

Thigh @ crotch - 13.75”

Thigh 1” down - 13.25”

Knee 14” down - 9.75”

34” down - 9”

Hem - 9”

Inseam - 37.5”

For comparison, below are raw measurements for a size 33 R01 purchased directly from Roy.

Waist - 17”

Front Rise - 13.15”

Back Rise - 17.5”

Thigh @ crotch - 13.75”

Thigh 1” down - 13.5”

Knee 14” - 10”

Hem - 9.15”

Inseam - 35.5”

 After a hot wash:

Waist - 16.5”

Front Rise - 12.5”

Back Rise - 16.5”

Thigh @ Crotch - 13.5”

Thigh 1” Down - 13”

Knee 14” - 9.35”

Hem - 8.75”

Inseam - 32.25”

My R01s size 32, cloth SE patch variety, are my best fitting pair and the only jeans I wear these days so I decided to pick up the Indigo Lovers too. I haven’t worn the size 33s much but they also fit great. 
 

Just for a complete picture here are measurements from the Roy x SE w/ cloth patch size 32. These were soaked by Roy so hard to tell where they started at.

Roy x SE cloth patch 32s

Measurements after 15 minute soak by Roy.

Waist - 16”

Front rise - 12.5“

Back rise - 16.5“

Thigh at crotch - 13.5”

Thigh 1” down - 13“

Knee 14” down - 9.5“

Hem - 8.75“

Inseam - 35.25“

After a hot wash:

Waist - 30.5”

Front rise -12”

Back rise - 15.75”

Thigh at crotch - 13.25”

Thigh 1” down - 12.5”

Knee 14” down - 9”

Hem - 8.5”

Inseam - 33.5“

So yeah, I never really understood why people liked their Roy’s so much but I do now, the fit is just so good.

Edited April 15, 2020 by jegr

[mpukas]

R01 Indigo Lover's arrived today. I took pre-wash measurements. Not sure when I'll get to take pics, wash and wear them. Initial impressions are same as with all of Roy's clothes - they are awesome! I love the polished buttons on this pair. I'll take some pics of the Black Seed denim in raw state next to some that have been washed. When raw it's really streaky, grey-ish blue, and appears light in color because the weft shows through so much. After a couple washes and the denim shrinks, it appears darker in color, and bluer, I think because the weave becomes denser and less weft shows through. 

The measurements are slightly tweaked from the 1st pair of R01's I have w/ cloth patch. Interesting the waist on the 33 IL's in the same size as the 32 cloth patch. The thighs and knees are very voluminous. In raw state, they are HUGE on me. If I didn't have prior experience w/ how much this denim shrinks, I'd think they are 2 sizes too big. 

Waist, laid flat: 16.5" 

Waist, aligned: 17.0" 

Front rise: 13.125" 

Back rise: 17.5" 

Thigh at crotch: 13.75" 

Thigh 2" down: 12.875" 

Knee 14: down: 9.875" 

Hem: 8.75" 

Inseam: 38.5 

[Shorty Long]

What do you mean by “Aligned” when you give the waist measurement? Seems like the actual flat waist measurement is way off from the waist measurement Self Edge provides on their site.

19 hours ago, mpukas said:

R01 Indigo Lover's arrived today. I took pre-wash measurements. Not sure when I'll get to take pics, wash and wear them. Initial impressions are same as with all of Roy's clothes - they are awesome! I love the polished buttons on this pair. I'll take some pics of the Black Seed denim in raw state next to some that have been washed. When raw it's really streaky, grey-ish blue, and appears light in color because the weft shows through so much. After a couple washes and the denim shrinks, it appears darker in color, and bluer, I think because the weave becomes denser and less weft shows through. 

The measurements are slightly tweaked from the 1st pair of R01's I have w/ cloth patch. Interesting the waist on the 33 IL's in the same size as the 32 cloth patch. The thighs and knees are very voluminous. In raw state, they are HUGE on me. If I didn't have prior experience w/ how much this denim shrinks, I'd think they are 2 sizes too big. 

Waist, laid flat: 16.5" 

Waist, aligned: 17.0" 

Front rise: 13.125" 

Back rise: 17.5" 

Thigh at crotch: 13.75" 

Thigh 2" down: 12.875" 

Knee 14: down: 9.875" 

Hem: 8.75" 

Inseam: 38.5 

 

[Double 0 Soul]

Hey Shorty, Selfedge measure this way.. 'laid flat'

 

Aligned or 'BiG' measurements are taken, thus

...might account for the discrepancy

Edited April 17, 2020 by Double 0 Soul

[Shorty Long]

Thanks for the knowledge

16 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Hey Shorty, Selfedge measure this way.. 'laid flat'

 

Aligned or 'BiG' measurements are taken, thus

...might account for the discrepancy

 

[goodrain]

Pair to rock & pair to stock

Thanks Shorty for the KS's this week and thanks to Dude for the BBs last year. I'm set on jeans for a long time.

[shredwin_206]

The Big Bro are still on my grail list 

[goodrain]

4 minutes ago, ecsong187 said:

The Big Bro are still on my grail list 

The Peanut Pants might serve you just as well? Same Black Seed and same pocket details as far as I can tell? Probably easier to find than BBs.

[dudewuttheheck]

I still kind of regret selling those BBs. Probably my favorite back pockets of all time. I actually wonder if they might not fit me though anyway. I'll keep telling myself that so I don't feel as bad.

[goodrain]

the leg opening would be tough for engineer boots but probably would have looked pretty sweet with sneakers. would the peanut pants work just as well?

[mpukas]

On 4/17/2020 at 1:43 PM, Shorty Long said:

Seems like the actual flat waist measurement is way off from the waist measurement Self Edge provides on their site.

I also replied in the Blunders thread... Yeah, my waist measurement came up quite a bit smaller than SE's measurements listed on-line. I love Kiya and what's he's done/doing w/ SE, but I don't think I've ever had a pair where my measurements are close to what they post. 

[shredwin_206]

1 hour ago, mpukas said:

I also replied in the Blunders thread... Yeah, my waist measurement came up quite a bit smaller than SE's measurements listed on-line. I love Kiya and what's he's done/doing w/ SE, but I don't think I've ever had a pair where my measurements are close to what they post. 

Never trust SE measurements. They’ve always been off compared to what I measure. 

[youngofthesoonest]

1 hour ago, mpukas said:

I also replied in the Blunders thread... Yeah, my waist measurement came up quite a bit smaller than SE's measurements listed on-line. I love Kiya and what's he's done/doing w/ SE, but I don't think I've ever had a pair where my measurements are close to what they post. 

That's interesting. I do a lot of the measuring for the online store and I'm wondering where the discrepancy is and also on previous purchases you've made from SE....sorry if I'm misreading it but the measurements you posted for the indigolovers dont seem that different from what we measured ourselves? I do have to average out some measurements if there are some differences in measurements which in this case, there were some differences across 3-4 of the same size. For the thigh, we measure 1" down and for the waist, we do lay flat but we also pull the fabric a bit to flatten the fabric to make sure it's truly flat as opposed to laying naturally which would bunch in places and be prone to differences in measurements based on how it falls. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by youngofthesoonest

[Shorty Long]

For me at least the discrepancy is pretty clear in the waist measurement, which is probably the most important. I, like mpukas, got a size 33, and just like him I measure the waist at approx. 16.5” across laid flat. That results in a waist measurement of 33.” SE lists a measured waist of 34.3” for size 33.

23 minutes ago, youngofthesoonest said:

That's interesting. I do a lot of the measuring for the online store and I'm wondering where the discrepancy is....sorry if I'm misreading it but the measurements you posted dont seem that different from what we measured ourselves? I do have to average out some measurements if there are some differences in measurements which in this case, there were some differences across 3-4 of the same size. For the thigh, we measure 1" down and for the waist, we do lay flat but we also pull the fabric a bit to flatten the fabric to make sure it's truly flat as opposed to laying naturally which would bunch in places and be prone to differences in measurements based on how it falls. 

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Shorty Long

[youngofthesoonest]

28 minutes ago, Shorty Long said:

For me at least the discrepancy is pretty clear in the waist measurement, which is probably the most important. I, like mpukas, got a size 33, and just like him I measure the waist at approx. 16.5” across laid flat. That results in a waist measurement of 33.” SE lists a measured waist of 34.3” for size 33.

 

When laying flat and measuring, do you pull on the waistband to make sure it's truly flat? We do make sure to pull on the fabric to flatten it so there aren't any gaps in the waistband (not aligning the front and back but that wouldn't matter in this since doing that doesnt cause a 1"+ difference). I'm wondering if that's where the misunderstanding is...It's strange that you'd get a 33 in the waist if we're measuring the same way because I measured multiple size 33 and they all hovered around 34.3"-34.4". I want to make sure that if we're spending this time measuring things, the info is actually helpful and if a method is unclear, we can try to make it clearer on how it's done. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by youngofthesoonest

[wmb]

Took the plunge on these. Last two pics are for you pocket bag people 

[lophophora]

to add onto the other gratuitous detail photos here-

 

first: the shell overlock stitching being done in two colors to colormatch the pocket bags and the selvage is really, really funky in the best way. very good little detail 

 

second: the pocket bag patches are starting to show faint signals of fading to come and i think that when they start to really fade over each other, it’ll be beautiful. seems like they got a deeper blue after touching water also. 

 

third: the spin-polished buttons look to be tarnishing in concentric circles, which is groovy. they catch the light in the most fantastic way

 

fourth: the denim finally relaxed and is draping much better after just a few weeks of casual wear. very good fit, even for someone with matchsticks for legs

Edited April 22, 2020 by lophophora
fixed weird image arrangement..still don’t know how to size correctly

[Broark]

Nice to see some photos of the jeans!

[Double 0 Soul]

@lophophora if you double click your image, you can resize from there

[mpukas]

Bad indoor LED lighting, but here's a comparison between Roy's Black Seed denim in washed (not worn) and raw states. 

Edited April 25, 2020 by mpukas

[julian-wolf]

So is posting pocket photos of the Test Lot jeans kosher now? If so I oughta take some update shots—mine are starting to look great

[Broark]

Not sure if it is or not. 

[goodrain]

felt like I just saw nudity on network TV. probably not kosher!

[mpukas]

F'me, not thinking

[julian-wolf]

R01 Test Lot

[SLAB]

those look absolutely gorgeous. what are the numbers on those (wash/wear)?

[propellerbeanie]

No back pocket pic hehe 

[julian-wolf]

Thanks kindly, @SLAB. Worn 3–4 days a week since November, 2018; washed when dirty—maybe a dozen times now, give or take? Maybe more like 20? Usually air dried, but a few times I’ve been in a hurry and put them through the machine.

So far they’re holding up well. I’ve had to patch the crotch in a few places, and the left front pocket opening is soon going to need some reinforcement, but all of the stitching’s still strong (as much as I complain, poly thread does have its upsides) and the fabric’s not even beginning to wear thin in the seat or thighs.

I’ve really liked these a whole lot. The fit’s not the most flattering on me, I think because of the extra room in the upper thighs, but they’re extremely comfortable and are well-suited to most of the work that I end up doing…and they really are aging beautifully. I don’t love Roy’s standard detailing, but you can bet I’ll jump on any future Test Lots without thinking twice.

[Broark]

These are the ones with the cloth patch, correct? I still haven't soaked or worn mine, saving them for a rainy day or whatnot.