Samurai Jeans

[BrownMetallic]

Xposting from HWCD2:

 

 

 

no  "obscene" contrast fades here,  but  .... 

 

 

 

[crease]

At the risk of sounding like a total meat head (and repeating a question), do any of you guys lift? About a year ago I took up powerlifting as a hobby and I've gotten more serious about my training since. As a result, my legs and butt have gotten significantly bigger, and thus, my pants don't fit like they used to (or at all). I've looked at b_F's fit guide to get an idea about sizing but I was wondering if anyone with bigger legs has had a particularly positive experience with specific styles.

 

@BrownMetallic -- What you've got going on in the top block looks very interesting. 

[JohnM]

So from that I would say the size 35 in the 710 should work. the size 35 in the Fullcounts however...thighs look ok from the pic but the crotch/hip area looks tight. As you already said, the size 36 would be better in the 1108XX

 

Perfect call -- the S710XX (35) and Fullcount 1108XX (36) both came out great after a 50 minute soak in hot water and line dry.  As you predicted, Fullcount's 15.5 oz. denim shrunk a bit more than Samurai's 19 oz denim.

 

With your and others' input, I now have my two favorite fitting pairs of denim jeans ... and both were bought sight unseen from BiG in New York.  The Samurais are my favorites but the Fullcounts are very nice too.  Thanks for all the input and advice.

 

Now what do I do with two pairs of Iron Hearts (634s and 633s) whose rise is a bit lower than I'd like? ;-)  If I decide to sell them (please forgive my ignorance), is it acceptable to mention them in the Iron Heart sub-forum or should I subscribe to the Supermarket Superseller (or other) forum?

 

John

[bradl]

Best bet would just go to the regular market place, alternatively iron heart has their own forums, you could try listing them on there as well.

[JohnM]

Thanks bradl.  By 'regular market place' you mean the supermarket?  http://supertalk.superfuture.com/index.php/forum/21-supermarket/

 

I should have noticed this -- sorry.

[bradl]

Yes, that usually works for me pretty quickly. 

[tigerstrom]

Just got a pair of s710xx from BIG! Extremely nice staff in the store! I have just hotsoaked them for 1hr and now waiting for them to dry. Shall I wait for them to be completely dry or can I wear them a little damp?

[ColdStorage]

You can wear them a little damp, just remember that few things are more miserable than pulling on a still wet pair of heavyweight denim. Plus side is it will set better creases ad expedite any waist stretching. Downside is you will get insane knee bags if you bend your knees and your legs will probably get starchy and gross. Totally your call.

[tigerstrom]

You can wear them a little damp, just remember that few things are more miserable than pulling on a still wet pair of heavyweight denim. Plus side is it will set better creases ad expedite any waist stretching. Downside is you will get insane knee bags if you bend your knees and your legs will probably get starchy and gross. Totally your call.

Thanks for the quick answer! I think I wait for them to completely dry then  

[straightarrow]

Looking to get a pair of 512XXBC (bootcut).  My measured waist size is 34 but I comfortably wear a 33 (I used BiG's measuring guide) and actually prefer the 33 (muffin top is malleable:); hips and butt very slim, like a marathon runner.  The tag size 34 would maybe be safer but I'm wondering if the 33 might give me a better slim fit if I can limit the shrinkage of the waist to 1".

 

I plan to do initial soaking and hang dry, same with subsequent washing.  Also not sure how to factor in possible stretching after soaking.  

 

What's the consensus, tag size 34 or 33?

Many thanks!

[Max Power]

What model is it that you wear in 33?

[tigerstrom]

Oh, that's only happened with... pretty much every pair of raw jeans I've ever worn.

Even my sanforized selvedge Nudies had this problem.

 

I gave my S710s a hot spin in the washing machine when I got them, and when I washed four months later, they shrunk and the combs don't completely line up anymore.  Same thing happened on my 1001s, 3009s, and so on.

 

This is why I tell people to get your jeans completely, absolutely shrunk before you start wearing them.  Throw them in the dryer, hot wash them six times, do whatever it takes. 

 

What's really baffling to me though is how this somehow doesn't affect other people.  One guy can start wearing his Flat Heads after one 45-minute cold soak that hasn't nearly gotten all the shrinkage out, and wash for the first time at five or six months, have the jeans shrink a lot, and yet somehow the combs still line up perfectly.  It makes no sense to me, particularly since my body weight doesn't fluctuate at all or anything like that.

 

Mini-rant over.

 

Now I have soaked my 710s two times and a mashinewash on handwashsetting. I think I got most of the shrinking out, but how will 2 soaks + a maschinewash affect future fading? Will they be harde to fade?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

They will fade nevertheless. Maybe (just maybe) with less high contrast....but with Samurai, that is no problem

[tigerstrom]

They will fade nevertheless. Maybe (just maybe) with less high contrast....but with Samurai, that is no problem

 

Thanks man! Its my first pair of unsanforised denim and I dont want to mess them up  

[straightarrow]

What model is it that you wear in 33?

A pair of Levis 501STF; bought a size 34 and washed and dried the crap out of it until it finally shrunk to a 33.  

FWIW, my best fitting pair of jeans is a pair of Levis 527s (I know, noob here)  with the following measurements (per BiG's guidelines):  waist 34, upper thigh 11.5, knee 8.5, front rise 10.5, back rise 13.5.  

So it looks to me like the Sams in 33 would match these dimensions better than the 34's, no?  I'm just concerned that the waist might wind up smaller than 33, which would be too small, unless they stretch a lot with wear.  

I wore rigid Levis 517s for years when they were truly slim fit, before Levis ruined them about 12 years ago by making them "roomier."  I've been in search of the perfect pair of slim fit bootcut ever since.

Thanks again for your help.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

a size 33 in Samurai can usually always be stretched beyond 33" in the waist. From that point you should be good.

Unfortunately, I don't have experience with the bootcut models but from what I heard they have a rather tight top block (thigh, hip, crotch area). IMO, the only real problems you could encounter are in that area, not the waist itself

[Max Power]

Sounds like the 33 would work. They will start out at just above 34 and stretch back to that. The other measurements should work too (thigh 11,75 according to BiG). maybe double check those measurements with Gordon.

Edited April 11, 2014 by Max Power

[straightarrow]

Many thanks!

[ColdStorage]

....and when you get them post lots of pictures here. I'd welcome the variety of seeing someone breaking bootcuts!

[Robert Langdon]

Anybody know how much shrinkage you get drying Texas cotton In the machine? I like the idea of regularly machine washing and drying for the summer. Thinking of sizing up 1 or 2. Thoughts?

[sta991]

I'm selling my S5000VX in 21 oz, waist 31, length 32.5.

 

It's on ebay, but let me know if you are interested:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/271453099757?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

[Mich]

S5000VX 17oz

since 2007 in rotation, about 6 or 7 washes/soaks.

 

 

[Max Power]

Fantastic pair! I'd love to see some close-ups of the grainy structure.

[Mich]

Thanks Max, i'll post some this week, didn't have time to edit the rest for size and color adjustment yet.

[Jeanius1]

Thinking about getting some s5000vx's in the near future. This will be my first raw denim purchase so I'm kind of nervous about the fit since I won't be able to return (planning on buying from 2nd off rakuten unless better options are available). I don't like my jeans tight. If anything I prefer more of the hip hop look but nothing too baggy or sloppy. I wear size 34 in most jean brands including gap and hudson. Planning on staying true to size if I end up ordering. Is this a good idea? My main concern I guess with these is whether the leg opening will look good with sneakers since that's what I'll be wearing most of the time. I'll want some stacking, no cuff, and prefer the jean not to be hanging over the shoe. Is this look achievable? Any input is helpful. Thanks

 

 

[CJ23]

Can someone tell me if they make the 5000 cut in 19oz ? If not then have they ever done it before ? I'm looking for the 19oz denim with a leg opening around 8 inches and waist 16 or 16.5. Is this the cut I'm looking for ? Thanks.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

@Jeanius1: do you have a tape measure? use it and measure your favorite pair of jeans and then come back with the actual measurements rather than "I usually wear size 34". Because it can be quite surprising how much they could measure in reality.

 

@CJ23: Unless it was a obscure collaboration, I can't remember seeing the S5000 cut in 19oz denim. With a waist of 33", the S710 might even fit your bill of 8" leg opening. The other cut that is offered in 19oz denim would be the S510

[Max Power]

^You're looking for the 710. The 5000 only comes in 17 and 21 oz. The 710 in size 32-33 comes with the desired leg opening.

 

^^What do the jeans you own measure? The tagged size alone doesn't help here. I'm not sure if we can help much here, as most guys try to get their size without looking for a baggy fit.

[CJ23]

Between 32 and 33...... Have a pair of 666s in 32 but the thighs are a little bit too tight...... Max, which denim do you prefer out of the 17 and 21 ? Seems to me 19oz are superior to both but i am just going off pictures and not seeing the denim in person....... What would the 710 sizing be ? Thanks

[Artisandenim]

Jeanius, couple of points.

Firstly if it's a hip hop look you are after then you are in the wrong place. From what I've seen, Japanese raw denim is just not aimed at that market, or constructed with that image in mind (with the exception of those godawful evisu from the 90's).

Secondly I'm guessing you have white sneakers. Bear in mind you are likely to get some indigo bleed onto your lovely crisp kicks, ESPECIALLY if you wear them no cuff style.

3rd, the s5000vx is straight leg and is likely to hang over your heel if you leave them long enough to stack. Are you sure you would not be better off with a tapered style? I find these work much better with trainers...

Lastly I will say that I my opinion the 5000vx are anything but tight. I sized down one from my natural waist and after soaking/shrinking I am still not completely comfortable with how loose they are, That said I definitely favour a slim style, so anything else is unusual for me. Had I gone tts there is no way I would have worn them as they would have been terrifyingly loose for me (but probably just a bit 'comfortable' for most people), so if that's what you are looking for...

I suppose I would say that in terms of 'looseness' tts would give you the room you need (unless you have power lifters legs) but I don't think that the leg opening is going to offer what you want in terms of trainers. If you like I will take a pic of mine with trainers to give you an idea?

I ordered mine from 2nd. No probs.