Acronym.

[solographik]

  On 2/21/2018 at 3:33 PM, GFNS said:

To be honest, I think they've been generous.  The technical and performance aspect of the gear could have easily gone for Yohji prices some time ago but it's been a slow and gradual build for years.  This reasoning is more in line with what seems to be happening.  He's taking his spot, which for the amount of time elapsed since its inception, is well deserved.

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Speaking strictly about performance/technical aspects of the garments, how can it be generous if other brands are using the same fabric and selling it at 30% the cost? If you want to talk about how the price is a factor of a smaller shop, less capacity, etc. that would be another story - but arguing on performance merit alone seems to fall on its face.

[GFNS]

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:04 PM, solographik said:

Speaking strictly about performance/technical aspects of the garments, how can it be generous if other brands are using the same fabric and selling it at 30% the cost? If you want to talk about how the price is a factor of a smaller shop, less capacity, etc. that would be another story - but arguing on performance merit alone seems to fall on its face.

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Removing Veilance from the equation that is.  There are a ton of flowy and frilly garments that go for 3K or better.  The argument isn't production/output/value, it's more ACRNM being more likened to Recon than Raf for eons and now that they get some shine we all want to complain about hikes.  This was a long time coming.  I for one can't justify 1,167 for the X-Pac 3A-1, especially when I got my Limonta for almost half that but I'm still copping what I like moving forward.  In a nutshell, respect due.  The grind has been a long haul for them and I think it's good to see them get recognized instead of bitten and chewed.  It's about time they start to recoup.

[segue]

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:02 PM, nodre said:

options to lower code are: 

lie to ups and convince them that the spec sheet is the outer layer of the bag making it a paper / textile at which rate the tax is 0% (4202.99.30.00)

or

suck it up, you know what you signed up for.

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LOL at the 'convince them that the spec sheet is the outer layer.' has anyone ever even done that? seems ridiculous lol

The rep also ended up assigning 4202.22.8100 to the shoulder bags (3a-1 or 3ts) the zipper bags (mz3 or mz5) as 4202.32.9300 both which are at the 17.6% rate.

[Stunt]

I did convince them that P23A-DS could be used as overalls if you threw the belt straps over your shoulders and it did get my duties lowered, so it may be possible!!

[lopiteaux]

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:49 PM, Stunt said:

I did convince them that P23A-DS could be used as overalls if you threw the belt straps over your shoulders and it did get my duties lowered, so it may be possible!!

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This is goddamn brilliant.

[solographik]

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:13 PM, GFNS said:

Removing Veilance from the equation that is.  There are a ton of flowy and frilly garments that go for 3K or better.  The argument isn't production/output/value, it's more ACRNM being more likened to Recon than Raf for eons and now that they get some shine we all want to complain about hikes.  This was a long time coming.  I for one can't justify 1,167 for the X-Pac 3A-1, especially when I got my Limonta for almost half that but I'm still copping what I like moving forward.  In a nutshell, respect due.  The grind has been a long haul for them and I think it's good to see them get recognized instead of bitten and chewed.  It's about time they start to recoup.

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Wasn't your original point that "the technical and performance aspect of the gear" made it worth yohji-esque prices? That's the part that I'm taking issue with, as other brands are selling similarly designed things in similar materials for a significantly lower cost.

You can make the argument that you can't separate the two, but that isn't how i interpreted your original comment. I don't begrudge the ACR team for raising prices, but I think ACR is fully cementing itself in the high-fashion market vs. the hard wearing, technical apparel gear that brought us here in the first place.

[CARLOOA]

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:49 PM, Stunt said:

I did convince them that P23A-DS could be used as overalls if you threw the belt straps over your shoulders and it did get my duties lowered, so it may be possible!!

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It's amazing what soft skills do. I keep dealing with the same person because of my last name, she just approves what codes I've been using now.

[GFNS]

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:52 PM, solographik said:

Wasn't your original point that "the technical and performance aspect of the gear" made it worth yohji-esque prices? That's the part that I'm taking issue with, as other brands are selling similarly designed things in similar materials for a significantly lower cost.

You can make the argument that you can't separate the two, but that isn't how i interpreted your original comment. I don't begrudge the ACR team for raising prices, but I think ACR is fully cementing itself in the high-fashion market vs. the hard wearing, technical apparel gear that brought us here in the first place.

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Yeah, that way..

[drgitlin]

  On 2/21/2018 at 5:04 PM, solographik said:

Speaking strictly about performance/technical aspects of the garments, how can it be generous if other brands are using the same fabric and selling it at 30% the cost? If you want to talk about how the price is a factor of a smaller shop, less capacity, etc. that would be another story - but arguing on performance merit alone seems to fall on its face.

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Right. ACR's design is exemplary, but they're often not first to market. The "PB" fabric showed up as Shakedry before Acronym released the J62 or J63.

[Flipflop214]

New ACRNM formula of success: Add Tecsys/different fabric/tweak(improve/fix) issues on past iteration(s).. charge 2x plus shipping

[xh79]

I'm not particularly surprised to see that the prices have gone up as much as they have; if your product sells out within minutes (as in the last couple releases), you are definitely leaving money on the table, and resale prices (which are observable on Grailed) confirm that.  I personally paid about 2K for a J53 on Grailed (which felt like a lot at the time but now looks like a decent price, incidentally...), and while I was happy to get the jacket, I felt pretty badly that E and company saw nothing for that transaction.  I don't think this means that prices can never go down, though -- at a certain point, you're leaving money on the table in lost sales instead (or foregone interest -- gotta watch your opportunity costs), or your operation requires more upfront revenue vs. a trickle of sales over time, etc.  I don't get the sense that Acronym is a large enough operation to have a staff economist working out pricing for them, so we may be seeing some rougher estimates here, but I'm glad to see them at least trying to triangulate a price point that makes them more money rather than giving the market away to resellers.

[spladow]

  On 2/21/2018 at 3:09 AM, lxkhor said:

I don't like the price hike either, but if the brand is slowly growing, so should the spending power of the people who helped make the brand what it is today? I mean, the only thing that seems to be going down in price nowadays is my investment in crypto..... 

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LOL I sold a jacket and put it into bitcoin. doubly down. I figured it was the best way to keep that acr money going towards the cyberpunk dream

[jawnsnow]

  On 2/22/2018 at 12:59 AM, spladow said:

LOL I sold a jacket and put it into bitcoin. doubly down. I figured it was the best way to keep that acr money going towards the cyberpunk dream

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YOUCH. That double whammy. But you're right, we have to do our part for the cyberpunk dream

[rnstyip]

  On 2/21/2018 at 9:21 PM, drgitlin said:

Right. ACR's design is exemplary, but they're often not first to market. The "PB" fabric showed up as Shakedry before Acronym released the J62 or J63.

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Not sure where this misconception comes from, as someone who works for Gore confirmed that they are not the same fabric.

[Danwise]

  On 2/22/2018 at 1:34 AM, rnstyip said:

Not sure where this misconception comes from, as someone who works for Gore confirmed that they are not the same fabric.

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Yeah - ShakeDry is just an aesthetic/build specification, not a fabric. ‘PB’ or Film Out was a newly developed lightweight material as outlined in the lead up to ACR’s review event - the GoreTex brand name for it now, officially, is Infinium. (It will adopt a new code this year too, ‘FO’.)

Interestingly, Stone Island will also be introducing some items using it this year too.

[CARLOOA]

  On 2/22/2018 at 1:50 AM, Danwise said:

Yeah - ShakeDry is just an aesthetic/build specification, not a fabric. ‘PB’ or Film Out was a newly developed lightweight material as outlined in the lead up to ACR’s review event - the GoreTex brand name for it now, officially, is Infinium. (It will adopt a new code this year too, ‘FO’.)

Interestingly, Stone Island will also be introducing some items using it this year too.

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PB came in two different specifications/formulations I believe and actually is a new tech, the barrier layer is the face layer. Infinium is the subbrand for their non waterproof stuff.

Edited February 22, 2018 by CARLOOA

[drgitlin]

TIL, as the kids say. 

[solographik]

  On 2/22/2018 at 1:34 AM, rnstyip said:

Not sure where this misconception comes from, as someone who works for Gore confirmed that they are not the same fabric.

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Where are you getting this? I own the 63PB and bought the north face hyper air for my gf. AFAIK the Norvan SL and the aforementioned jackets are all “permanent beading” surfaces and use the same tech. They have the same handfeel as well. 

  On 2/22/2018 at 1:54 AM, CARLOOA said:

PB came in two different specifications/formulations I believe and actually is a new tech, the barrier layer is the face layer. Infinium is the subbrand for their non waterproof stuff.

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Similar understanding but wasn’t aware that they came in different techs. 

[Danwise]

  On 2/22/2018 at 1:54 AM, CARLOOA said:

PB came in two different specifications/formulations I believe and actually is a new tech, the barrier layer is the face layer. Infinium is the subbrand for their non waterproof stuff.

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  On 2/22/2018 at 2:04 AM, drgitlin said:

TIL, as the kids say. 

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Infinium 'is' the new official name for PB, 'PB' is just Acronym's original acronym for it at the time they were involved in developing it with Gore.

All here: https://www.gore.com/news-events/press-release/gore-launches-new-gore-tex-infinium-product-brand

Also attaching this just to confirm:

[CARLOOA]

  On 2/22/2018 at 2:33 AM, Danwise said:

Infinium 'is' the new official name for PB, 'PB' is just Acronym's original acronym for it at the time they were involved in developing it with Gore.

All here: https://www.gore.com/news-events/press-release/gore-launches-new-gore-tex-infinium-product-brand

Also attaching this just to confirm:

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It’s the sub-brand still. 

[msoldano]

  On 2/22/2018 at 2:33 AM, Danwise said:

Infinium 'is' the new official name for PB, 'PB' is just Acronym's original acronym for it at the time they were involved in developing it with Gore.

All here: https://www.gore.com/news-events/press-release/gore-launches-new-gore-tex-infinium-product-brand

Also attaching this just to confirm:

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hate to be that guy but I'm deducing that says J43a-FO #x-rayvision

[llirreM_hpesoJ]

  On 2/22/2018 at 3:14 AM, msoldano said:

hate to be that guy but I'm deducing that says J43a-FO #x-rayvision

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J63-A And J46

[jawnsnow]

  On 2/22/2018 at 3:42 AM, llirreM_hpesoJ said:

J63-A And J46

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I was hoping for a new iteration of the j63.

 

[jeddyhsu]

GT owners, what is this zipper used for under the collar and above the neck tag of the j16? It was not mentioned in the spec sheet.

[solographik]

  On 2/22/2018 at 3:57 AM, jeddyhsu said:

GT owners, what is this zipper used for under the collar and above the neck tag of the j16? It was not mentioned in the spec sheet.

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For any liner w/ a compatible AUX zip. 58-WS, 65-WS come to mind.

[jeddyhsu]

  On 2/22/2018 at 3:58 AM, solographik said:

For any liner w/ a compatible AUX zip. 58-WS, 65-WS come to mind.

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Cool, thank you! Also thanks @chunglove for neg reps for no reason  

[Danwise]

  On 2/22/2018 at 3:12 AM, CARLOOA said:

It’s the sub-brand still. 

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Just to be clear, we're on the same train right? Yes I get it's a sub-brand of GoreTex - hence the link, never said it wasn't.

[Xu Jianfeng]

Price hiking is kind one-direction way.

For me this set-up is the second best along side the unreleased camo 3a-1 back in old time.

 

 

And ss18 3a-1 just sold out now(stock back), for me im kind decided keeping supporting the brand in future, in hope my fund for this expensive interest(but thank god im wearing them 24x7x356).

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2018 by Xu Jianfeng

[Kamikaze]

  On 2/22/2018 at 3:42 AM, llirreM_hpesoJ said:

J63-A And J46

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j63-a sounds interesting. please don't be acrnm.com only

[Yan90]

  On 2/22/2018 at 5:50 AM, Kamikaze said:

j63-a sounds interesting. please don't be acrnm.com only

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its from fw1819. so u can grab it from retailer