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5 hours ago, DROVES said:

Hope everyones gratuitous retail therapy has gone well~

After adding to cart and then ignoring it until it sells out, I'll rest knowing that I won't have to be annoyed at having another acronym piece fall apart or de-laminate after a year-and-a-half of wear.

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Acronym ain’t denims though homie you gotta wash regularly

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Wait, you're telling me gore tex isn't raw denim?

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30 minutes ago, sidneylo said:

After adding to cart and then ignoring it until it sells out, I'll rest knowing that I won't have to be annoyed at having another acronym piece fall apart or de-laminate after a year-and-a-half of wear.

I don't think gore-tex delamination is really the fault of ACR tho.  That's inherent to the material, and would be the case for any manufacturer using it. Do you find more success with gt in other brands?  Also do you find the construction quality of their products lacking?  So far I've been pretty mean to all of my ACR gear and its seems to hold up really well.  Even the seemingly fragile WS stuff has held together through all of my abuse.  I mean, it shows wear, but its clothing, not magic fairy dust.  It's not gonna stay new forever unless you leave it in the sandwich bag..

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3 hours ago, NinjaGuyInToronto said:

I don't think gore-tex delamination is really the fault of ACR tho.  That's inherent to the material, and would be the case for any manufacturer using it. Do you find more success with gt in other brands?  Also do you find the construction quality of their products lacking?  So far I've been pretty mean to all of my ACR gear and its seems to hold up really well.  Even the seemingly fragile WS stuff has held together through all of my abuse.  I mean, it shows wear, but its clothing, not magic fairy dust.  It's not gonna stay new forever unless you leave it in the sandwich bag..

Agreed. I definitely am not expecting a manufacturer to magically improve the properties of GT. I find construction of ACR pieces to fluctuate depending on some of its features (such velcro cinch on sleeves exacerbating the creasing which creates friction and rips in a fairly consistent manner — and this is me not ever utilizing that feature at all).

 

edit: just remembered, every damn gravity pocket has created friction frays on each sleeve; so either i have velcro cinch tearing or gravity pocket tearing lol

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6 minutes ago, sidneylo said:

Agreed. I definitely am not expecting a manufacturer to magically improve the properties of GT. I find construction of ACR pieces to fluctuate depending on some of its features (such velcro cinch on sleeves exacerbating the creasing which creates friction and rips in a fairly consistent manner — and this is me not ever utilizing that feature at all).

i had only one GT shell prior to my ACR discovery. that shell after 8 years had zero delam. 2/4 of my ACR have delam. And yes I granger etc.

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11 minutes ago, eddyraddish said:

i had only one GT shell prior to my ACR discovery. that shell after 8 years had zero delam. 2/4 of my ACR have delam. And yes I granger etc.

How much had you worn that previous shell? Heavy wear/lack of proper washing are the major culprits. And ACR being style forward shit tends to encourage excessive wearing. 

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1 hour ago, sidneylo said:

After adding to cart and then ignoring it until it sells out, I'll rest knowing that I won't have to be annoyed at having another acronym piece fall apart or de-laminate after a year-and-a-half of wear.

I have a J47A-GT, bought used, and have been wearing as my only non-hiking and non-gym day shell for a couple years now without babying, and the only delamination is a tiny 1cm spot that I accidentally left touching a heater.

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7 hours ago, BRICK DOM said:

Acronym ain’t denims though homie you gotta wash regularly

Ok actual question tho, how often do y’all wash things? I was a denim guy for years so for instance my Momotaros got their first wash this winter after ~120 wears or so? 

With acr I find I wash pretty infrequently, Stotz I’d estimate 10 wears before I wash again, I’m not sure. When I do fabrication work in them I’ll usually do a week of wears and get them covered in abrasives and shit I just can’t wear them at home or to a friends as they’re gnar. But my J36-S has never been washed from last year’s drop.

Honestly DS is probably the same, I’ve never pondered this before so I don’t truly keep track, just gut check if it needs a wash? But I’ve never truly washed a GT, I’m sorry :|
 

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20 hours ago, DROVES said:

Any speculation for the C1-AM and the like? I’d guess another 2 weeks before another drop if it didn’t appear today...

Hope everyones gratuitous retail therapy has gone well~

So far we got 3 products in march and 3 in april so my guess would be C1-AM, S23-AK and J84-S coming in another 3-4 weeks at the beginning of may.

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Anyone have any experience with over-dye on the acronym x nemen shirts like the S6C?  I've tried it on two different shirts using MX cold water dye and haven't been too happy with the results.  I like how uniform they look now, but the black looks a little greenish/grey rather than a nice deep black.  I thought maybe it was the source color, but I've tried over both the olive and the grey with the same result.  I'm worried that a hot water dye will shrink the shirts.  Any advice?

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19 hours ago, brainerd666 said:

How much had you worn that previous shell? Heavy wear/lack of proper washing are the major culprits. And ACR being style forward shit tends to encourage excessive wearing. 

i wore the shit out of the other one... and im not hating on acr, its just a fact that ive had delam when by all accounts my level of wear and washing, i should not have. maybe my closet is too warm... (that is different as i moved recently) and oil plus heat is a particular risk...

 

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Pants came in. I'll be honest and say I was hoping for a looser fit. Here are some bad, overexposed photos. Thanks iphone se

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looks fine imo. how did you size?

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2 minutes ago, Kamikaze said:

looks fine imo. how did you size?

I went with the small, I am 5'7, per advice here medium would be even longer

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P10 look gоod on thin guys. 

Size S is the right size for 5,7, but they r too snug for u. 

You just need to lose a few pounds.

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Let me just cut off some meat

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1 hour ago, eddyraddish said:

i wore the shit out of the other one... and im not hating on acr, its just a fact that ive had delam when by all accounts my level of wear and washing, i should not have. maybe my closet is too warm... (that is different as i moved recently) and oil plus heat is a particular risk...

 

Are you constantly wearing jackets next to skin? That could be another culprit. I avoid wearing hard shells unless I'm wearing a long sleeve or liner underneath.

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33 minutes ago, AvantSol said:

Are you constantly wearing jackets next to skin? That could be another culprit. I avoid wearing hard shells unless I'm wearing a long sleeve or liner underneath.

always a liner but my sweaty oily neck as well as my forearms must be the culprits... my J53  has delam around myupper back and neck even in the actual collar where its gortex on both sides. and my j16 is completely broken down arms chest everywhere. thats why im investigating because it seems out of proportion to what one should expect.

 

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Back in the day, there was much theorizing (by ppl who actually used GORE-TEX as god intended) that some individuals sweat affected the membrane (or adhesives?) much more aggressively than everyone else on the bell curve. This was supported by anecdotal manufacturer Q&A, though I don't remember if it was ever formalized or published.

Chest delam. is not very common, even with packs or carry-rigs. Will usually see face fabric abrasion before that occurs.

Of course - if you're cosplaying in ACR at your local ramen joint on a balmy evening, then all bets are off.

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Going down the Acronym rabbit hole. Why did I dip into this ...

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I avoid all direct skin contact with any of my GT jackets mostly cause 1 im paranoid and 2 my skin is oily. But if you do have skin contact and wash every couple of wears, you should be fine. 

also @knucks the p10s fit nice. 

I'm 5'7 and xs fits me just fine.  prob cause im on the skinnier side but length wise, there are no issues. I can get away with S as well but I prefer XS

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I reckon I was just expecting a bit more thigh and butt room, and not as low of a rise.

The model on the mothersite is wearing a medium but it's surely is more drapey 

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I'm looking at P34 models too, going to set up an alert for ones in my size but..I reckon size medium would be fine in the P34 if i wanted it similar to my Nike ACG cargos fit?

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21 hours ago, knucks said:

Pants came in. I'll be honest and say I was hoping for a looser fit. Here are some bad, overexposed photos. Thanks iphone se

Hm.

Definitely a slim-boi pant; could see you having issues with an M with the proportion/length so it might just be the cut. Looks good; top block seems to be a little tight but maybe it'll stretch out a tiny bit with wear.

 

12 hours ago, segue said:

I avoid all direct skin contact with any of my GT jackets mostly cause 1 im paranoid and 2 my skin is oily. But if you do have skin contact and wash every couple of wears, you should be fine. 

I think I'm too oily, probs. Sticking with gabardine or other materials has been better for me overall, but I'm thinking the same like the rest of you are saying to avoid skin contact. My Veilance monitor coat has neck wear from just rocking a t-shirt some days, which matches some of your experiences.

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4 hours ago, knucks said:

I'm looking at P34 models too, going to set up an alert for ones in my size but..I reckon size medium would be fine in the P34 if i wanted it similar to my Nike ACG cargos fit?

LMAO you'll be collecting pants after the 2nd cop. Kinda like how I don't need another jacket but still browse regardless.

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My personal theory is that delam is caused by overly acidic sweat, not the oil content.  Extra stinky armpits when working out or burning holes in the chest or back of a T-shirt are indicators that your sweat pH is closer to 4 than 7 (neutral). Since it can be caused by too frequent exercise it can be a problem for the highly trained athlete.  Remember PTFE (GORE-TEX) is nothing more than Teflon, and it really doesn’t want to stick to ANYTHING, not just a jackets face fabric.

Gore has never officially acknowledged there is a problem.

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ppl who actually used GORE-TEX as god intended

But wearing a shell when it’s 40° and sunny makes me so much more Xteme!

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38 minutes ago, sidneylo said:

LMAO you'll be collecting pants after the 2nd cop. Kinda like how I don't need another jacket but still browse regardless.

yeee you know how i do

TBH if I hadn't kopped the veilance coat i got i'd prob copkop a 'nym

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8 hours ago, sidneylo said:

I think I'm too oily, probs. Sticking with gabardine or other materials has been better for me overall, but I'm thinking the same like the rest of you are saying to avoid skin contact. My Veilance monitor coat has neck wear from just rocking a t-shirt some days, which matches some of your experiences.

i used to have a monitor coat and i used to wear it with just a t.  hate to break it to you but if you haven't washed it, the inner elbows will have already delamed.

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