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Ok, very good to know - they need to get their branding in check. I'd assumed Infinium was more HD based on the Gore info page (didn't realize this also included the FO (ShakeDry?) product(s) too), which, if heavier and less-breathable than the Burly.....means a no-go, unfortunately. Will have to swing by and see what the FW20/21 iteration is like.

Interesting - I guess I need to check them out in person. The only Infinium stuff I've handled was insulated. I would have equated the Burly Double Weave w/ 'lifestyle windstopper package,' which still seems to be in use on the Align MX. Is reg. Infinium going to be thinner / lighter than the Burly?

Agreed. Too bad those Indisce Pants are Infinium....

^ Yeah, but the Sediment color almost makes up for it. Any clue whether the Range is coming back in non-IS ver. for SS? I didn't see anything that was a total match in the imgur dump....

My orig. reaction was about approach (to the culture / 'hobby') and the use of the 'collective-centric' term, which frankly, just wasn't something possible 10~15 years ago. You had people here, 5thD....a few on that UK forum (blanking on the name?). A handful of otaku spread across the globe like a Gibson novel. It was a relief to find community, but nobody was getting into it because of the community. We can argue good/bad/right/authentic, but for better or worse there are obviously a lot more options for accessibility (and group-making, e-congregation, etc.) now, which allows for more of the diversity and differences since described. Personal motivation to sell-off could be related (or not?), hence the question-

How thin do we get to slice this tho - i.e., separating motivation from behavior? This is what I meant by objectivity; should be obvious that individuals' choices are pretty much always going to be individual-centric in this context, for reasons that @TEKsevenZERO and others have mentioned. In the real-world, this topic mostly operates in a vacuum.

Ok, but that doesn't somehow make this technically correct. Just makes you one of the more selfish bee's in the hive! Not even arguing whether this is 'good' or 'bad'. While these things come down to personal choices, you need to step back and look at them more objectively.

Certainly up for discussion - and while we keep throwing these terms around loosely, they're actually pretty well defined in some circles. @erictheninja's last post talks about currying favor for personal gain as individual-centric, but if you're feeding / contributing to the group (to whatever end), it's actually collective-centric, regardless of whether you get personal benefit out of it or not. bingo

This hits a key point for me, and is why I phrased things they way I did. Might have been head-to-toe, but you wouldn't know it because no blatant logos / signaling. The saturation and association (both Supreme and ACR) have absolutely tweaked some of my own behaviors, but not to the point of the OP where one is selling everything off (or losing actual interest - perhaps more importantly e.g., 'clothes' vs. culture and symbolism). That said, isn't 'modifying your behaviours/interests because of what's popular or what other people are doing' the literal definition of collective-centric behavior? Maybe I'm being too pedantic (or not enough?). How stand-alone do you have to be for a negative reaction to actually become individual-centric behavior instead of just plain-old contrarianism? Lots of gray area for sure...

Yeah, I dunno. Do obnoxious concert-goes somehow make Mayer a lesser-guitarist? Do the Bryan Lee's of the world somehow takeaway from ACR's actual output or make it objectively less-interesting? To me, changing behavior and/or interests because of others is the literal opposite of an individual-centric pursuit. If you'd linked ERLSN's SJW Twitter regurgitations to your being out-of-alignment, I could understand a logic behind wanting disassociation. Regardless, this is exactly what I was hoping people would get into after @jeddyhsu's remark; so thanks for going out on a proverbial limb.

I think you're misreading. Stock ≠ work

I think the point was more about 'feels' over the fanbase. This directly relates to the individual-centric vs. collective-centric idea mentioned earlier, and while I can empathize, I've not personally reacted the same way. Funny enough, I was in head-to-toe Supreme yesterday, not that anyone could tell. At the end of the day, they're just clothes. T-shirts and shorts. Black jackets and green pants. Nobody is forcing you to style them like an @archive reject (or centerfold) OR embrace that particular association. @erictheninja hits on plenty of cringe moments, but none of them actually outmode technical outerwear in any sense. Plenty easy to stay disassociated from the FB / Reddit / IG circlejerk.

This is mostly worth responding to because of @jeddyhsu's reference to 'collective-centric' behavior. One could easily argue that prior to ACR being on places like FB/IG/Grailed, (i.e. back when this thread started on SuFu) it was much more of an individual-centric pursuit. Putting 'fans' in quote marks seems apt - as I can't think of too many ppl from back-in-the-day who've purposely ditched their whole collection (not to say individuals haven't aged-out or stopped / slowed purchasing for whatever reason). Perhaps @emilpops, you could cite some examples? Curious.

But you didn't say that, and I'm not a mind-reader. Even if that's what you genuinely meant, I have a hard time believing that there's a sizable number of people cross-shopping reps (as you wrote) and the genuine article. There is literally too big of a gulf; in both actual performance and cost / value ratio, no equivalency exists. Regardless...when discussing brand equivalency, there are far more factors to consider than just cost. You can reply ad nauseam, but it doesn't change anything.

You implied that ppl are cross-shopping those brands, and they are therefore equivalent. It doesn't, and they aren't. Not sure how much simpler I can make that. You're now contradicting your earlier post (see below) and are feigning confusion. It's ok, the world will keep spinning.