What about Jeans Jackets ....

[cheapmuthafukr]

Thanks, I'm considering that Sugar Cane. Can anyone speak for their quality?

A Japanese eBay seller found me a new 507xx 1950s Type 2 for 200 bucks. It's a Japanese size 42. Does that size sound reasonable for a dude who is 6 feet tall and approximately 175 pounds?

EDIT: Supposedly shrinks 1-1 1/2 inches when washed.

EDIT2: Or get a size 40 from that link you posted...It's 70 bucks cheaper but I have a feeling that it'll be too small once it shrinks.

if youve never experienced the joy of owning and wearing something from suarcane then just buy that jacket. canes never dissapoint.

[jstavrin]

Heh, I currently own a pair of SC55s so I know the feeling. Maybe I will, but I kinda want a tab...

Do you think a size 40 would work? I want to pull the trigger on one of these things tonight.

[cheapmuthafukr]

measure your chest... pretty sure lvc is true to size before washing.... ive never owned one tho so i may be wrong

[jstavrin]

Can anyone give me any sizing advice? I'm trying to figure out if these measurements are pre-or post soak measurements. Do you think this jacket is raw? I can get the size 42 elsewhere if need be. The sleeve length on the size L (40) is just right, but I'm not sure if these have been washed or not.

http://en.item.rakuten.com/vari/lv-jk-71507-xx/

And I'm assuming LVC japan size shit differently, yes? This is confusing as hell.

[ChuckO]

Is there any deep Lee Storm Rider expertise around? I'm thinking of trying to find a 70's model with hand warmers because I'm assuming the denim is still classic Lee selvedge (or is it half-selvedge in Lee's case?). Can anyone verify that.

[Dr_Heech]

Is there any deep Lee Storm Rider expertise around? I'm thinking of trying to find a 70's model with hand warmers because I'm assuming the denim is still classic Lee selvedge (or is it half-selvedge in Lee's case?). Can anyone verify that.

Chucko

- There is no selvedge on the Lee stormrider.

But the denim is the same as lee jeans (which have full selvedge until the mid fifties, then half selvedge until early sixties).

I think the lee stormrider with handwarmer pockets came about circa 1980, although I'm happy to be corrected.

Both the colour of the denim, and the tan corduroy collar, changed a few years before the 4 pocket stormrider was introduced (1978ish). The denim, the collar and the blanket lining on the older Stormriders (pre-1972) is much nicer.

And cowboys didnt have 'handwarmer' pockets

[Happy Hooligan]

Is there any deep Lee Storm Rider expertise around? I'm thinking of trying to find a 70's model with hand warmers because I'm assuming the denim is still classic Lee selvedge (or is it half-selvedge in Lee's case?). Can anyone verify that.

chuck take a look at the Wrangler Jacket. It has handwarmers...

[fardin]

yes if you want vintage with handwarmer then get wrangler or foremost. wich look really nice, or some realmccoys repros. a great alternative is a chore coat. there is a nice lined one by lee japan the 81LJ

http://item.rakuten.co.jp/furutaka/2481-89/

or a very nice version is the 191LB

http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/threeeight/lee2191-89.html

http://item.rakuten.co.jp/furutaka/c/0000000113/

[ChuckO]

Thanks everybody. That's an amazing amount of useful info. I guess I'm back to a vintage 60's model and live without the hand warmers.

Dr. Heech, Lee stopped using even half selvedge by the early sixties?

[Dr_Heech]

Thanks everybody. That's an amazing amount of useful info. I guess I'm back to a vintage 60's model and live without the hand warmers.

Dr. Heech, Lee stopped using even half selvedge by the early sixties?

I believe it was around 1960. In Paul T's book there's a piece about it.

If your after a handwarmer blanket-lined Lee jacket, try looking out for an original Lee 191-LB. I put 'lee jacket' into the search engine on ebay, and you often see them.

I personally like to put my hands in my jeans' pockets, as all my jackets are without handwarmer pockets.

I LOVE Lee jackets

[ChuckO]

I gotta have a storm rider. I can live without the hand warmers. I like 'em to put my keys and crap more than a place to put my hands.

[Dr_Heech]

I gotta have a storm rider. I can live without the hand warmers. I like 'em to put my keys and crap more than a place to put my hands.

Like I said, just put ' lee jacket ' into your ebay search. There are lots of stormriders, mostly late seventies/early eighties models, which come up daily. If you want something older, that can take time. In eight years of trawling the net, i've only seen three that are older than mine, apart from ones I saw on japanese sites (Palms vintage + Wolfrobe).

Give me your size and what you're after, and I'll look out for one for you

[Happy Hooligan]

Here's my Wrangler jacket, I put it on my blog today.. .I"ll try to get a fit pic too.

[Dr_Heech]

A quick heads up for anyone interested...

There's one of these early models in a size 48 on ebay!

(seller = hulagirl1)

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[ChuckO]

Like I said, just put ' lee jacket ' into your ebay search. There are lots of stormriders, mostly late seventies/early eighties models, which come up daily. If you want something older, that can take time. In eight years of trawling the net, i've only seen three that are older than mine, apart from ones I saw on japanese sites (Palms vintage + Wolfrobe).

Give me your size and what you're after, and I'll look out for one for you

Dr Heech, Thanks, any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm a 42 reg.

Since the Storm Riders aren't selvedge is there much difference between the denim from various periods? Is it mainly that the later you go the more likely your going to see pre-faded, etc.

[RRLselvageDenim]

I have a Lee black blanket lined Stomrider in small (Doesn't fit me anymore) I'd be willing to give away for free provided you pay for shipping IM me -- figure I give it to someone who'll appreciate it.

[LandoCal126]

I have a Lee black blanket lined Stomrider in small (Doesn't fit me anymore) I'd be willing to give away for free provided you pay for shipping IM me -- figure I give it to someone who'll appreciate it.

Wow that's generous! Wish I was a Small...

[Dr_Heech]

Dr Heech, Thanks, any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm a 42 reg.

Since the Storm Riders aren't selvedge is there much difference between the denim from various periods? Is it mainly that the later you go the more likely your going to see pre-faded, etc.

Just to recap.

Selvedge is just the term given to the white edge of the denim fabric which you would find either end of the material before it gets made into jeans or jackets. You can see it on Lee jeans until 1960, but only the very early jackets will you find it on (pre-1945) which are nigh on impossible to find anyway.

All of Lee jeans and jackets are sanforized (pre-shrunk), pretty much since 1940.

The denim on the stormrider didnt change until mid/late 1970's, when it looks more open ended (fluffier/lighter blue) making it more 'stonewashy'.

The Lee stormriders therefore use the same denim from between 1945-1970's.

I will look out for a sz 42 for you.

[ChuckO]

Three off topic questions for the Dr.:

1. Sanforised has nothing to do with wether it's selvedge, correct?

2. When Lee stopped using selvedge denim the denim (weave, etc) stayed the same? Their jeans just lost the selvedge? What I'm getting at is non-selvedge could in every meaningful way be as good as selvedge? I mean up until the 70's basically when the denim started to change.

3. Is there a good site or book that get's into this?

Also:

Here's a whole bunch of Storm Riders: Any opinions on ones that look good in large?

http://www.vintagetrends.com/vintage/thumbnails.asp?MC=Vintage&CA=Men&SC=Jackets%2FCoats&ST=Lee+Storm+Rider

[erk]

3. Is there a good site or book that get's into this?

superfuture superdenim encyclopedia http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?t=12729

and paul T's book http://www.amazon.com/Denim-Cowboys-Catwalks-History-Legendary/dp/1845131118

[Dr_Heech]

Three off topic questions for the Dr.:

1. Sanforised has nothing to do with wether it's selvedge, correct?

2. When Lee stopped using selvedge denim the denim (weave, etc) stayed the same? Their jeans just lost the selvedge? What I'm getting at is non-selvedge could in every meaningful way be as good as selvedge? I mean up until the 70's basically when the denim started to change.

3. Is there a good site or book that get's into this?

Also:

Here's a whole bunch of Storm Riders: Any opinions on ones that look good in large?

http://www.vintagetrends.com/vintage/thumbnails.asp?MC=Vintage&CA=Men&SC=Jackets%2FCoats&ST=Lee+Storm+Rider

Chucko,

In the case of the Lee stormrider.

Sanforized denim is denim which does not shrink, hence the older models say "sanforised denim shrunk lining on the embroidered labels. ALL Lee denim is sanforised (at least since the late thirties) right up until today.

I've explained that the term "selvedge" only refers to the WHITE EDGE of the cloth, which usually can be seen on jeans when they are cuffed.

Although the selvedge disappeared around 1960, the denim that Lee used stayed the same until sometime in the 1970's.

The denim used on the Lee Stormrider changed hue (to a lighter shade of blue) at some point in the late 1970's, and became more fluffier (less slubby) - I think the way they manufactured the denim changed, but I have no solid proof.

Paul T's book (Denim - from catwalks to cowboys 2002, of which i have a spare copy) has some info scattered about it , which touches upon this subject. There are even two pics of early examples. Here's a pic from one of my books:

.... And lastly

There are dozens of Lee stormriders on ebay every week. I have bought stuff from Vintage Trends before ( - two stormriders, funnily enough!) but for those prices, you can find a much cheaper deal on ebay.

IMHO, the only stormrider worth wearing is a wool-lined model (pre-1972). And if I was you, I'd hang out for a bit and see what comes up on ebay; I may find you an early example.

Also, I am a size 44", but a size 44 stormrider is too snug, hence my size 46". Some thing to consder when sizing.

Hope all this helps?

[Happy Hooligan]

I got my 101J for only $9.99! on ebay... Once in a while you get lucky.

Mines from 70-71 and it's a 44 long... It's a slimmer fitting 44 but still fits fine.

Keep looking and in a few months that perfect one will pop up...

[dontlookup]

I went to APC this weekend and I saw their jean jacket. It was salvage i was pretty interested. How do they fit?

[Stacks]

new quest: L/XL sugarcane persimmon dyed denim jacket.

Some day, maybe.

[ChuckO]

The Storm Riders in the pictures are fantastic. I like 'em dark blue.

Dr Heech thanks for the history and thanks to Dr Heech and H.H. for the purchasing advice!

[dralfonzo]

I ofund this nice blanket lined storm rider in london the other week I think it was priced at about £90 I was thinking of buying it but figured i could get one better priced off ebay

[ChuckO]

What does it mean if the blanket lining is vertical? That it's newer?

[Dr_Heech]

What does it mean if the blanket lining is vertical? That it's newer?

Yes, it's not wool but an acrylic based material. Troy Mills, who manufactured the original linings in the 40's 50's and 60's, changed to making this IMO inferior lining in the 1970's, which is easier to identify because the stripes are vertical. It will keep you as warm as the earlier reused wool/rayon/cotton lining, but feels cheap and a bit naff.

[ChuckO]

I ofund this nice blanket lined storm rider in london the other week I think it was priced at about £90 I was thinking of buying it but figured i could get one better priced off ebay

Good thing you skipped it. That's a lot of sterling for a fake wool lining!

[jstavrin]

My Levi's 507xx jacket just arrived from Japan and I'm pretty stoked. I'll post some pictures after I soak them.