Levi's Vintage Clothing

[jewellben]

Did they actually measure 38" raw?

I didn't measure them with a tape but they were certainly the longest LVC 38" I've had (my 47 are tagged 38" too) from Raw.

email Cultizm they have a 40 * 38 1937 in stock as they are the best at supplying speedy acurate measurements. Mine were 36 * 38 but purchased this year from them so hopefully they are from the same LVC run

[Dr_Heech]

Paul

Dont think I've seen those 701sxx before.

At first I thought that they were these 702xx 's -

(apologies for crap pics but only have slow shutter speed..)

I'm not very up on early obscure (or even fake) levis repros.

Where's dougc when you need him??

[Paul T]

Now now!

THose 702 look similar, I see they claim they are a 1944 reissue.

The '701' turns up on page 66 of the Gil Lhote's Jeans For Heroes book, from 1991. At the time people seemed to think that the 701 was a 1930s men's model. There is a photo of John Wayne with a caption explaining he's wearing 'a pair of 701XX' which always tickles me - well, his name was Marion, after all.

The clunky grammar on the box makes me wonder if it was a Japanese production, independent of the Capital E (which had a similar box, didn't it?), but after the 502 repro that LEvi's Japan did in 89.

Googling, a few seem to have turned up recently. I bet it's a clear-out of the cupboards, now they've closed LVC Japan.

Jeans for Heroes is pretty primitive - but there an excellent photo of kid's one-pocket 204, centre linen patch, almost perfect condition, must be 1890s.

These must be some of the oldest unwashed Levi's around? Pretty good dark color, as far as one can tell.

[Dr_Heech]

I think the 1944 bit refers to the disappearance of the buckle. The page also shows the 503Bxx and the 1966 E (jp edition's).

Never heard of that Heroes book, but I've seen those pix before of the 204's before (again, in Mike/sansome's 'Denim' japanese mag)

They are beautifull, even more so for their condition.

That box is different from the US made 1966 E reissue and the 1st ed 1937 201xx. The text leads me to believe it may be fake (the box that is..)

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[Dr_Heech]

Ahh, Here's some 701's...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/nos-vintage-LEVIS-Big-E-redline-701-jeans-XX-lvc-LEVIS-/150524024040?pt=US_CSA_MC_Jeans&hash=item230bee54e8

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[dr.house]

Ahh, Here's some 701's...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/nos-vintage-LEVIS-Big-E-redline-701-jeans-XX-lvc-LEVIS-/150524024040?pt=US_CSA_MC_Jeans&hash=item230bee54e8

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Whoppa! Nice, do you've seen the missing 'r' on the tab?

[Paul T]

Ahh, Here's some 701's...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/nos-vintage-LEVIS-Big-E-redline-701-jeans-XX-lvc-LEVIS-/150524024040?pt=US_CSA_MC_Jeans&hash=item230bee54e8

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I've pasted in the Japanese and US versions, so we have them on the thread.

I still reckon these have come out of the woodwork because of the closure of LVC Japan. THere are quite a few for sale in Japan.

Note how the US version has 'shrinkage controlled' denim. Levi's Japan was using Sanforized fabric from Kaihara, I bet this is the same, or else Kurabo - it doesn't look like Cone.

701SXX, Rakuten

701XX from eBay US:

Haven't had chance to compare other than oilcloth differences. You can also tell that these were the inspiration for many Thai copies, which use much of the same mangled grammar.

[Dr_Heech]

Whoppa! Nice, do you've seen the missing 'r' on the tab?

Japan? LvcJp ??

[edit] Also early repros had 'original' rather than 'copper' riveted on 2 horse-patch.

[attackwithstones]

Here are some pics of my 701s.

[attackwithstones]

Let me know if you'd like any more photos. I took a few more but didn't want to upload too many.

[roy6]

201s at about three months, initial hot soak.

Some indigo loss starting to show. I'll be sad to retire these (temporarily) in January.

[Paul T]

Very interesting attackwithstones, thanks, and well done for working out how to post pics.

For future posts it's worth editing your photos so they're around 650 pixels wide, they're easier to see on a smaller monitor.

Looks like they were produced 1987.

I was told by LEvi's Japan that their first reissue was the 502, in 1987 , with Kaihara fabric these must have followed soon after. I always assumed the 502 were fairly accurate, I wonder if so?

[Paul T]

Thanks, ROy6. You are the Joey Dallesdandro of superfuture. Next time please make those crotch shots, oh, 950 pixels wide?

[robbie]

A few years back I bought a pair of 702's from Ross. They weren't LVC, just red tab from Japan. It was weird there were no traditional paper tags and The cinch was buckle-less. I assume they ended up there as irregulars or samples that didn't sell. If I'd have thought/known about it at the time i'd have cut the straps off and worn them cowboy style w/ a belt or what not. I think I gave them to a friend maybe or consigned them I can't remember they'd be cool to have now, at the time they were 'too baggy', which means they weren't skin tight .

[grooveholmes]

Ahahaha. Would rep, must spread. Priceless.

So, forgive my ignorance, but is there a way to know which (if any) batches of current US-made LVC items are dyed using natural indigo?

[rnrswitch]

Any ideas on if Levis will ever re-reproduce the 213 jacket? I have one, but it is slightly undersized and a wash would make it even more undersized. It is by far my favorite of the levis jackets.

[Paul T]

Ahahaha. Would rep, must spread. Priceless.

So, forgive my ignorance, but is there a way to know which (if any) batches of current US-made LVC items are dyed using natural indigo?

None at present - only the 1873, which is intermittently available (see the Levi's guide on my sig). I had a pair... they weren't grea.t But I'm sure they'll reintroduce more, I know they're looking at the earlier models.

There was, of course, also the organic 501, dyed wiht naturual indigo, in the Red Tab range a couple years aof.

THe 213 might reappear; but the fabric, as on the 201, is quite specialised, and has to be ordered in fair-size runs. I know they've run out, so who knows.

[SLAB]

sorry, another sizing question

is it possible to shrink a tagged size 30 to actual 29" in the 1890, 1915 or 1933? According to Paul's site the 1933's are two inch oversized so that seems not possible?

[Maynard Friedman]

sorry, another sizing question

is it possible to shrink a tagged size 30 to actual 29" in the 1890, 1915 or 1933? According to Paul's site the 1933's are two inch oversized so that seems not possible?

SLAB, I. usually wear a size 32 and I tried on the 1915s in a size 32 last week and they measured 35 and swamped me. I then tried on the 30s, which measured 33 and fitted me with a little room to spare, so I'm getting them. I think they'll be too big for you. The 34 inseam also came up a bit longer than tagged.

However, I've been informed by www.threebyone.com that the 1933s in a W30xL34 measure 29x33 raw. Cultizm gave me raw measurements for a 1933 W32xL34 as 31x33 (they didn't have a W30). So it seems they actually come up smaller than tagged.

Threebyone has a good sale on at the moment - 1933s at €95 in lots of sizes. That's where I ordered my 1915s for €100.

[jewellben]

Threebyone has a good sale on at the moment - 1933s at €95 in lots of sizes. That's where I ordered my 1915s for €100.

They don't have any 32" X 34" 1890's left though:(

Anyone know where I can get them? Without costing the earth.

[oboy_oboy]

I have a sizing question, which I hope is welcome. I follow this thread and have read Paul's posts and site, but I'm still unsure so I'll throw it out there.

If I'm hoping to achieve a post-soak size of ~32x34/5 in the 1937 cut, what tagged size should I be looking at?

[dr.house]

Where are the yesterday posts??? Am I stoned?

[Paul T]

I have a sizing question, which I hope is welcome. I

If I'm hoping to achieve a post-soak size of ~32x34/5 in the 1937 cut, what tagged size should I be looking at?

32/36 will give you a slimmer fit, 34/36 for a looser fit that will sit on your hips. LEg length will probably end up just under 34.

Now, a repost for posterity.

Note the extreme stagger on these; the assymetrical shape of the yoke; and the fact that, as Dr Heech points out, the yoke panel sits on top of the leg panel. THis show how much 501 construction could vary.

[oboy_oboy]

Cheers Paul! Wasn't sure how much shrinkage to expect on those.

[jewellben]

I've got some cracking leg twist on the left leg of my 1947 virtually like a twisted Levi, but none on the right leg, is this normal?!?

[Paul T]

Yes, for some reason it usually seems to affect one leg more than the other. Theoretically they should both twist (clockwise for RHT I think) but the right leg never seems to move as much.

Edit OK, rarely seems to twist as much. Twist rep for dr house...

[dr.house]

Yes, for some reason it usually seems to affect one leg more than the other. Theoretically they should both twist (clockwise for RHT I think) but the right leg never seems to move as much.

Check my 47's:

[dr.house]

Hehe, thanks. Dunno if the twist on my 47's will ever stop

[Dr_Heech]

Hey Paul,

got a sizing question (!!)

Your duck 'open front jumper' (shirt) - what size did you buy?

Do you have raw + post soak/wash measurements?

Thanks in advance.

[wgmds]

another hey paul.... my dad wants a pair of suspender button jeans, so i've chosen 1870 oldest oldest. just a few questions, how much do they shrink, would it matter if they were actually washed relatively frequently (once per month or so) since the denim is so thin? is the sizing true ish/ he wears a 38 and im planning on getting a 38. and are they good pants overall? they seem pretty cool.

thanks man.