Paul T

Can't find my 2007 catalogue but I've looked in the 2005, plus lots of later ones and all the Type 1s have a red tab including Turkish-made ones.

Exactly right. Those are also so obviously the ring/OE Denim - which actually isn't bad and has that lovely stripey colour when new. A lot of work went into those jeans, a new fabric, and they retooled to try to get back to the right shape pocket etc. The main factory was Whitburn. And at the time, wherever in the world they were made, the fabric was always Cone from White Oak. Then in the 90s, Cone was only exclusive to raw denim and the die was cast . Phil Marineau, who joined from Pepsi, closed Whitburn around the time he closed Battery street , and got a $25m pay check for the year.

These look great. Purely because I just came across these by accident, here's a pic of Curtis's old late 60s 302, in their raw state, for comparison. The only vintage Levi's I've ever documented from the raw state.

Yes. One of the last LVC and, perhaps even sadder, Cone's swan song. Natural indigo grown in Tennessee - think I posted pics from when I visited for the indigo harvest. I've always loved the Nevada and these are one of the nicest implementations. Right at the beginning of this thread are photos of my 1880s using natural indigo Kurabo, which are awful - these are so much better. We've often debated why natural indigo doesn't crock much or isn't that dark - but for these jeans, the indigo seems to wear in brilliantly. The nicest early cut I've ever had. Plus the denim is different, yet still quintessentially Cone. Hard to do it justice in a photo but the denim is very crinkly with lots of micro-contrast, very slubby - but the slubs are small. I think it's essentially the same denim as the 3-pleat I've posted often but with the natural indigo, looks a bit darker, more red, less turquoise.

Washtime for my natural indigo 1880s. We're just outside of Marseille on holiday, so I washed with laundry soap. Cleanest they've ever been.

Absolutely. Then there's the 1880 in natural indigo. Amazing. While the triple pleat in duck was gorgeous too. I can understand a lot of the dismissal if LVC but the ultimate compliment must be how many Japanese companies brought out their own me-toos .

Now I'm a weekend wearer I have no idea how much wear is on my contest S40s. But we had a rare, dry windy day in London so they got a machine wash. I always wash my TCB inside out now as I seem to get marbling - there's a little here. Looking forward to more washes down the line so I get a more of those blue mid tones.

THis is a subject that I know lildavid must be starting to investigate - cheep is there already.Some will suggest it's sad that if you're a denim nerd you plan to inflict it on your kids - I say, why not start em early! SO, if you've trakced down any good denim for nippers, post em here. I'll update with a few items later, but thought I'd post this thread now because H&M have the best kids' denim i've seen, period, when you consider the price. I've seen them at the H&M store on Oford St, London, plus the new store in the old Dickes & Jpones on Regent St. Oxford St had only larger sized, 150cm plus; Regent St still has quite a few smaller sizes, mostly around the 105cm size, for 2 or 3 year olds. They're limited edition and have apparently been out three weeks, so grab them now. WHy so good? Mostly the price: £15, less than the price of getting yer jeans shortened in SoHo. They come in a nifty bag, proclaiming that they're made of organic cotton: (Don't ask me why I shot an off-white bag on an off-white background, I can't answer that). The jeans themselves are a slim but not skinny fit. The detailing is beautiful, chainstitched hems, blank Wranger-style rivets on one corner of the back pockets, conventional rivets elsewhere, and a leather belt patch. The denim is a lovely colour, slightly greencast. Somewhere I have shots of Sammies, Levi's and Warnglers for kids, I;ll post em later, but do update with yours... and if you don't have kids, remember that pint-sized vintage is only a fraction of the price of the adult stuff!