Paul T

Washed my 1880s and 1890s. Obvs I've posted the 1880s a lot here - the last new Cone denim design, natural indigo grown in Nashville. Thye are fabulous. What we love with denim is now different jeans wear in differently. These crock a lot - but the areas without wear retain their colour. These have had a lot of wear, maybe 18 months of summers. Marbling at the back of the legs is lovely, I will post a pic when I can. The 1890s (left on the dual pic) are Kurabo, the jeans are posted as new right at the beginning of this thread. Kurabo's version of the early fabric is very green. I like that too but it doesn't have the micro texture of the Cone. These were really hard to wear in, almost no crocking with wear. THey are now my main summer jeans as I can't bear to retire my 1880s, which have now those little loose threads that signals that heavy repairs will soon be needed.

I'm editing my shed! Anybody want these for price of postage? Makes more sense if you're in the uk obvs. I'm in London. THey are, obviously, really useful for establishing what year LVC products date from. I will check in but it might be quickest to email me via trynka.com

Ah, I found a reference from page 80 here: from 2006 until at least 2009 the Turkish washed 501 used Italian denim, which I am pretty sure was Candiani, which they claimed was due to Nafta or something. They may well have used Orta afterwards because, as you've stated correctly, Levi's and Orta have partnered on quite a few projects.

I love those jeans and instinctively have always thought they were early 60s. LVC's cuts are indeed traditionally kind of stylised. Remember, pattern cutting is not a precise art, shapes will vary between sizes and some aspects, ie back pocket shapes, varied between factories so they are hitting a moving target. However, although some cuts are exaggerated (ie 201) their take on the different patterns has generally become a consensus, although quite a few brands tend to have a higher rise for their 60s models. @Maynard, I was interested by your post sayig the Turkish-made jeans used Orta Mills. Where did you hear that? I do remember enquiring, and hearing they weren't Cone, but I had the vague idea they were Italian denim (Candiani?) - but have probably mis-remembered. Did I say they were Orta?