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4 minutes ago, Inkinsurgent said:

why would you wear something that's not waterproof over something that's not waterproof

 

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29 minutes ago, Inkinsurgent said:

why would you wear something that's not waterproof over something that's not waterproof

 

This seems like a moot point, then what's the point of wearing something like stotz/ws/E as a jacket? It does what it needs to do in light to moderate rain conditions. 

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jackets and pants are both outer layers that come in various levels of waterproofness and insulation

but wearing two sets of pants isn't quite the same thing as wearing a jacket over a sweat or tee 

 

 

 

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The fact that the P38-E features actual side pockets instead of the P38-GT's reach troughs, meant to be used to reach a first/mid layer pant, makes it seem pretty obvious that the P38-E aren't meant to be used as an overpant.

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57 minutes ago, Inkinsurgent said:

gt overpants make sense, e overpants do not.

 

then again fashion is not required to make sense

38-gt pattern came first, then ideation of standalone pant in different fabric came second by turning gt troughs into functioning pockets. same dna, different ideas

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4 hours ago, denimjeans said:

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seems like based on 38-e's copy and the gen indicator, 38-gt came first conceptually (thanks @TestaRossaTed)

Eh, doesn’t really say anything about it being an overpant

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2 minutes ago, moneytalks said:

Eh, doesn’t really say anything about it being an overpant

yea cause it's not, it's just the result of experimenting with making an overpant in the first place (hence the gen indicator)

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Honestly it's all semantics. Just consider them dual mode pants or not, up to you. 

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the -gt has a slightly wider cut than the -e to accommodate the inner pant, so I don't think the -e is intended to be worn as an overpant - but hey, doesn't mean you're not allowed to;)

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1 minute ago, eyesolation said:

the -gt has a slightly wider cut than the -e to accommodate the inner pant, so I don't think the -e is intended to be worn as an overpant - but hey, doesn't mean you're not allowed to;)

aren't they literally the same measurements? 

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7 minutes ago, AvantSol said:

aren't they literally the same measurements? 

yeah in terms of what the spec says, i.e. waist, length etc. they're the same, but thighs are a tad bit wider.

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To me, P38E seems more like a variation to fits different needs from original P38GT , which is designed as an overpant for ppl living in colder or rainy areas. 

I think it's ok to say many other pants can be wear as "Overpant" if it fits the environmetn and your needs. I used to wear slim insulation pants under P30A,P31A over last winter. In this case the outer layer don't really need to be 3L water proof material but something windproof and water repellent based on my local weather condition. 

P38E is just another choice E provided to ppl living in warmer area, who can use the vents over summer seasons and probably wear slim insulation over colder seasons.

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yup that makes sense, because it has vents and a functional pocket, which the GT does not, you can definitely use it as overpants if you want to, underpants even, lol - but the extra vents definitely point to summer pants 

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19 hours ago, denimjeans said:

38-gt pattern came first, then ideation of standalone pant in different fabric came second by turning gt troughs into functioning pockets. same dna, different ideas

here we go

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oh boy here we go

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J1A-GT V.2.2

Built with 3L GORE-TEX® PRO [Next delam generation technology]

**Up to 200% more delamination compared to previous generation Gore-Tex® Pro products

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is there a reason why stotz variants of J1 are not being made? hell, a DS version would be preferable to paclite

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1 hour ago, Orientalq said:

is there a reason why stotz variants of J1 are not being made? hell, a DS version would be preferable to paclite

J1TS-S, J1B-S, J1A-S....... all released. 

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Still no comment on the J56?

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15 hours ago, darkart said:

J1TS-S, J1B-S, J1A-S....... all released. 

Yes like years ago on the 2.0, not the 2.2 or the latest version which was why I used "being made" since those have been made and are sold out. 

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7 minutes ago, Orientalq said:

Yes like years ago on the 2.0, not the 2.2 or the latest version which was why I used "being made" since those have been made and are sold out. 

Why don't you ask E yourself since he's going to be the only one that could answer your question.

Also, "years ago" is nothing in terms of time. Acronym has been around for 20+ years now. I would love to see the LJ-2 make a comeback, or Limonta fabric being used again, but I doubt it will happen. If it does, great! If not, it won't stop by from buying future pieces. If you want a stotz jacket, you'll find plenty in decent condition in the acronym sales thread. 

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2 minutes ago, analog29 said:

Why don't you ask E yourself since he's going to be the only one that could answer your question.

Also, "years ago" is nothing in terms of time. Acronym has been around for 20+ years now. I would love to see the LJ-2 make a comeback, or Limonta fabric being used again, but I doubt it will happen. If it does, great! If not, it won't stop by from buying future pieces. If you want a stotz jacket, you'll find plenty in decent condition in the acronym sales thread. 

1) it's a rhetorical question. I am saying a stotz j1a 2.2/4 would be a great idea

2) good luck finding a J1-S in decent condition that isn't marked up to hell

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Whenever I see this I don’t even bother clicking the thread any more lol

 

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8 minutes ago, BRICK DOM said:

Whenever I see this I don’t even bother clicking the thread any more lol

Account -> ignored users -> add to ignore list 

cmon dom dont be like that

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1 hour ago, Orientalq said:

Account -> ignored users -> add to ignore list 

cmon dom dont be like that

At least the other Q had a relatively interesting story. 

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I wonder how many other brand forums, etc.. this person is on complaining about price and essentially declaring how much better they could do it themselves...  

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Genuine question: Is there no neg-rep limit on sufu that would see to someone being banned?

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