Real McCoy's / Joe McCoy's Jeans

[mousemouse]

On 6/18/2020 at 2:41 PM, edmond said:

Havent washed these since march worn at home only 

ww2 s003 

 

It looks like the Mccoys s003 has bartacks on the back pockets? I thought ww2 jeans have these omitted? Or do some have them and some dont?

[andrew_]

Just read through some of the comments about the quality drop.

Are their sweatshirts still some of the best in the game? Or have they suffered too?

Been wanting to invest for years, was thinking maybe this winter...

[scooby]

the ball park sweatshirts are still great, as far as I know/can tell

[Double 0 Soul]

8 hours ago, andrew_ said:

Just read through some of the comments about the quality drop.

Are their sweatshirts still some of the best in the game? Or have they suffered too?

Been wanting to invest for years, was thinking maybe this winter...

fwiw Andrew this 'quality drop' isn't recent.. folks have always claimed RMC to be of the utmost quality, probably just reiterating what McCoys and their associated retailers have told them in their quest to justify their price tag and sell more product but from my experience it's just not true, when you get your hands on the sweatshirts they do feel very plush and you'll think 'what the flip was 00 talking about' but wear them with any kind of frequency and chances are the stitching will start to break down.. a lot of you won't notice because you own way too much clothing and work office/non strenuous jobs. Ive got £6 sweatshirts which have outlived my McCoys but they're uncomfortable, poorly/unethically made, ill fitting and the material is uninspiring, i would say if you're looking for a perfect fitting luxury sweatshirt to wear occasionally then RMC is what you seek just don't expect it to last a lifetime. Others have different experiences of course.

My JMC B-Park sweats are all peppered with holes where the overlock has disintegrated in high abrasion areas, under the sleeves, around the hem ect, you can poke your finger through them..

Edited October 20, 2020 by Double 0 Soul

[Flash]

I havent worn any of my ballparks in any work setting , just normal every day wear and have no complaints to note but I have heard quality complaints from more than OO and there price compared to other similar manufacturers a bit of a joke ( especially international ) . I will give a big thumbs up to there double layer after hood sweats though , it's my go to sweat when I'm doing any work around the house ( outside , way too warm to wear inside ) its seen a good 5 years of regular autumn/winter wear and it's still top notch , it's taken on a really nice faded look as well 

I wouldn't fixate on McCoy's as far as sweats are concerned , if I were asked to steer someone in the direction of a brand selling sweats it would 100% be two moon , great quality , amazing pricing and always release new colours every season 

[Double 0 Soul]

1 minute ago, Flash said:

I havent worn any of my ballparks in any work setting

Me neither! they wouldn't see the day out

Today's work thermal + sweatshirt cuffage...

 

[Duke Mantee]

Stop wiping your nose so hard then ...

[Maynard Friedman]

^ I’m singing ‘Greensleeves’ in my head now!

[Broark]

I'd also like to recommend Warehouse as another option.
I don't get to wear my sweatshirts all that much but the ones I got from WH last year are probably my favorites so far.

[H...crimper]

5 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

fwiw Andrew this 'quality drop' isn't recent.. folks have always claimed RMC to be of the utmost quality, probably just reiterating what McCoys and their associated retailers have told them in their quest to justify their price tag and sell more product but from my experience it's just not true, when you get your hands on the sweatshirts they do feel very plush and you'll think 'what the flip was 00 talking about' but wear them with any kind of frequency and chances are the stitching will start to break down.. a lot of you won't notice because you own way too much clothing and work office/non strenuous jobs. Ive got £6 sweatshirts which have outlived my McCoys but they're uncomfortable, poorly/unethically made, ill fitting and the material is uninspiring, i would say if you're looking for a perfect fitting luxury sweatshirt to wear occasionally then RMC is what you seek just don't expect it to last a lifetime. Others have different experiences of course.

My JMC B-Park sweats are all peppered with holes where the overlock has disintegrated in high abrasion areas, under the sleeves, around the hem ect, you can poke your finger through them..

I quite like it when they start to wear like that  but then when I was younger I wouldn't be seen in any thing that wasn't falling apart. 

[lee porter]

Hi flash where can I get the  two moon sweats from I’m in the uk cheers 

[Flash]

18 minutes ago, lee porter said:

Hi flash where can I get the  two moon sweats from I’m in the uk cheers 

Think I remember @Geeman saying you can order them on amazon jp ? I got mine through pirates about 10 or so years ago 

[lee porter]

Thank you 

[Double 0 Soul]

51 minutes ago, H...crimper said:

I quite like it when they start to wear like that  but then when I was younger I wouldn't be seen in any thing that wasn't falling apart. 

I don't mind s'long as it's expected when you splurge nearly £200 on a 'superb' quality sweatshirt

I also like vintage sweatshirts, and the way the material of my navy/purple JMC is ageing it's got so much potential, alas it will never live to see 'vintage' status.

Cushman also make very nice sweatshirts, as do Whitesville..

[Maynard Friedman]

As do Deluxewear .

[andrew_]

Cheers for the options/expertise.

Looked through the others, but RMC just seems to get the details right.

Also seems to fit a bit better than Two Moon/Warehouse etc for my tastes - others look a bit too short and tight on the waist.

I don't think I'll wear it particularly hard, so will just go for it and repair as I need to..

Edited October 20, 2020 by andrew_

[H...crimper]

Real McCoy’s lot s003. These are taking a long time but the denim is breaking in really nicely. But I am having to keep on top of the repairs. 

[mousemouse]

@H...crimper When did you buy and how long have you been wearing those, if I may ask? I got a new pair and the back pocket stitching are nowhere near as wonky as yours.

Edited October 26, 2020 by mousemouse

[H...crimper]

5 hours ago, mousemouse said:

@H...crimper When did you buy and how long have you been wearing those, if I may ask? I got a new pair and the back pocket stitching are nowhere near as wonky as yours.

I imported them from Japan at least 8 years ago, and the denim takes a long time especial as I don't wear them that often.

[oomslokop]

calling @Double 0 Soul to reprise his investigation of shonky construction on the s003

[mousemouse]

2 minutes ago, H...crimper said:

I imported them from Japan at least 8 years ago, and the denim takes a long time especial as I don't wear them that often.

I see, I have ones from the current season and the stitching is a lot different from your pair. The current ones are much cleaner. Even the folded edges of the pockets are quite even vs. your pair. I hope mine doesn't too many repairs too soon!

[Double 0 Soul]

6 hours ago, oomslokop said:

calling @Double 0 Soul to reprise his investigation of shonky construction on the s003

You Rang M'Lord?

I had my 003's on pre-order through VP, you had to fill out an order form, this was about 1month before they dropped in Feb 2013 then i got into a conversation with Gordan at BiG, he was kind enough to send me some photo's of the wonky stitching if i agreed not to share them prior to release, in the end i decided to cancel my pre-order and ordered through BiG, they landed in the US a few days after the JP release but Gordon got them to me within a couple of days so it made little difference, good job too because i was ordering a 32"...

When i comparred the photo's he sent to my pair the wonky pocket stitch was identical, it turned out they were all identical, much to my disappointment.

If you compare my pair above^ to @H...crimper pair the stitch is exactly the same, right pocket has a sagging top row and 3 stitches of vertical lock stitch, the pocket 'V' is just to the left of the stitch V. Right pocket has the same inverted miss-stitch near the bartack, the wavy stitch at the V is identical, the top row tapers inwards and the folds are the same.

Comparing just the top row of pocket stitching to @edmond pair at the top of the page, you can see they're perfectly parallel, things might have changed? that means @edmond might be right, fuck me! what's going on with the world, first a global pandemic and now Ed's right!! what a fucked up crazy world we live in..

After 6 months my pair looked like this

.

By this stage i had already overlocked both inseams by hand and the pocket stitch is starting to disintergrate in places

12 months

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The pockets stitch has now worn away so they're flapping around

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18 months

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..not long after this, the coin pocket fell off (as i posted about previously) and even though they're a loose fit the flippin yoke burst open, i was absolutely sick of repairing them so i just bagged them off.. bear in mind, i wasn't wearing them for work just evenings and weekends.

[Double 0 Soul]

@mousemouse bartack

 

[H...crimper]

24 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

You Rang M'Lord?

I had my 003's on pre-order through VP, you had to fill out an order form, this was about 1month before they dropped in Feb 2013 then i got into a conversation with Gordan at BiG, he was kind enough to send me some photo's of the wonky stitching if i agreed not to share them prior to release, in the end i decided to cancel my pre-order and ordered through BiG, they landed in the US a few days after the JP release but Gordon got them to me within a couple of days so it made little difference, good job too because i was ordering a 32"...

When i comparred the photo's he sent to my pair the wonky pocket stitch was identical, it turned out they were all identical, much to my disappointment.

If you compare my pair above^ to @H...crimper pair the stitch is exactly the same, right pocket has a sagging top row and 3 stitches of vertical lock stitch, the pocket 'V' is just to the left of the stitch V. Right pocket has the same inverted miss-stitch near the bartack, the wavy stitch at the V is identical, the top row tapers inwards and the folds are the same.

Comparing just the top row of pocket stitching to @edmond pair at the top of the page, you can see they're perfectly parallel, things might have changed? that means @edmond might be right, fuck me! what's going on with the world, first a global pandemic and now Ed's right!! what a fucked up crazy world we live in..

After 6 months my pair looked like this

.

By this stage i had already overlocked both inseams by hand and the pocket stitch is starting to disintergrate in places

12 months

.

The pockets stitch has now worn away so they're flapping around

.

.

18 months

.

.

.

..not long after this, the coin pocket fell off (as i posted about previously) and even though they're a loose fit the flippin yoke burst open, i was absolutely sick of repairing them so i just bagged them off.. bear in mind, i wasn't wearing them for work just evenings and weekends.

I don't think mine will fall apart like your ones as I don't wear them enough. When new I wasn't that keen on the fit but they have really grown on me, nice and loose. Shame about your ones as looking really nice  

Edited October 26, 2020 by H...crimper

[fre-co]

Gosh they did look good though!

[Double 0 Soul]

I first spotted those 003's in the McCoy's 2013 Yearbook which was released at the end of 2012, the 'tight fit' is noted

.. a quick inquirey to Satoh at Vintage Paradise and i found they would be available for pre-order in a few months

This is one of the photo's courtesy of Gordon..

..notice the identical pocket stitch, it's remarkable how accurate the two pairs are..

..accurate and contrived, the wonky ethos can't be deliberately replicated in this way.. que CSF and the start (for me at least)of seeking out less than stitch-perfect jeans.

[mousemouse]

Thanks for the photos! I asked you some weeks back about the Mccoys pair and the Cushmans made by CSF and sadly the latter's fit was not good for my body type when I tried them on. The Cushmans had a very tight top block but a higher rise. The Mccoys had a nicer rise and leg dimensions so I got a pair. Mine is a lot s003 unlike your pair which is a 003. I don't remember where I read this but I think the 003s have a heavier denim? My pair also has much more even stitching compared to your pair, much like edmonds. I will just give mine a final hot soak and wear these soon. I really hope that the thread on my pair doesn't break too soon 

[Double 0 Soul]

Ah, the new ones with the OD herringbone pocket bags, and you're right that's what Ed has too, so things might not have changed after all they're just a different pair of jeans.

..equilibrium returns to the universe..

Good luck with them @mousemouse i can't remember the denim weight? ive probably blanked it out shame those Cushman didn't work out.

[Flash]

I remember seeing something about a 17oz denim being used on one of there ww2 models ?? Not sure , was a while ago 

[Double 0 Soul]

Yeah you're right, ive just has a snoop around the 2013 blogosphere and most noted they were 16.5oz apart from Heddels who noted they were 14.25oz, the new LotS003 are 14.3oz