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[rnrswitch]

There IS fake selvedge.

There are projectile loom attachments that can be bought where it weaves a selvedge edge (natural with a colored id) onto the edge of wide fabric which is not selvedge in any way other than the fact it's got a selvedge looking edge which 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference of.

Holy shit. I ain't ever heard of that. So it takes the open yarns and weaves them back onto themselves? Or do you know how it does this?

With these wide loomed fake selvedge denim are they producing half selvedge jeans, like some Lee repros or something. It seems like the selvedge to total fabric ratio goes down quite a bit. There are wide looms that still produced selvedge ends, which is what the original half selvedge Lee's were made of, right?

[entertainment!]

There is a thread where pictures of fake selvedge were posted. I haven't been able to find them. I think the pictures were posted by ringring. Maybe someone else remembers where the thread is.

[Paul T]

There IS fake selvedge.

There are projectile loom attachments that can be bought where it weaves a selvedge edge (natural with a colored id) onto the edge of wide fabric which is not selvedge in any way other than the fact it's got a selvedge looking edge which 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference of.

Ah, yeah, I heard someone bought up a load of deadstock Cone selvage... sent samples in and they told him it was fake; made on a projectile loom, with the cut threads woven back into the fabric. THis batch was reputedly 10 years old so it's been going on for some time..

There is a thread where pictures of fake selvedge were posted. I haven't been able to find them. I think the pictures were posted by ringring. Maybe someone else remembers where the thread is.

I think the photo in question was open selvage, on the later Lee Euro. You'd probabyl ahve to look at true fake selvage under a glass, or at least really colose, to ID it.

[Maynard Friedman]

Ah, yeah, I heard someone bought up a load of deadstock Cone selvage... sent samples in and they told him it was fake; made on a shuttle loom, with the cut threads woven back into the fabric. THis batch was reputedly 10 years old so it's been going on for some time..

I hope it wasn't used to make those Mr Freedom Californians!

[rnrswitch]

There is a thread where pictures of fake selvedge were posted. I haven't been able to find them. I think the pictures were posted by ringring. Maybe someone else remembers where the thread is.

This thread was started by me and turned out to be hilarious. I have been meaning to revive it. I was a little tike when that thread was started. Is this the thread you were talking about?

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?t=7426

and here is the pic of the fake selvedge on that pair.

[Paul T]

THat's fake fake selvage!

OK... really, it's open selvage. Projectile loom. True fake selvage would look pretty much like the real thing, you wouldn't see the fuzzy, open edge.

[Paul T]

I hope it wasn't used to make those Mr Freedom Californians!

THis was 18 months ago so I'm sure it wasn't! I would love to know when the fabric actually dates from, though. If it's 60s it would be more striated, as they used a new, not totally successful spinning method, if it's 70s it will have more sulphur and will fade quicker. I know, I should buy a pair.

But it's an interesting question, isn't it? Most of the quality comes from the yarn, the spinning, the dyeing... the selvage on its own signifies nothing. Does fake selvage really matter?

[Tiro]

Selvedge actually has little to do with quality. You can have open-ended denim woven on narrow looms to produce selvedge denim, which, no matter how great or vintage the loom is will still produce crappy denim because the yarns are crap.

You can also produce ring ring non selvedge denim that will turn out much better than the OE denim that is selvedge.

I think FAKE selvedge denim is a meaningless term. It is either selvedge or not. That is, if we take "selvedge" to mean what we conventionally think is selvedge (the nice clean ends at the side of the fabric).

A lot of people who work in fabric shops consider the ends of all fabrics to be "selvedge." In which case, calling a loomed fabric selvedge or not, when it comes off a bolt, is meaningless.

what does the OE stand for?

THis was 18 months ago so I'm sure it wasn't! I would love to know when the fabric actually dates from, though. If it's 60s it would be more striated, as they used a new, not totally successful spinning method, if it's 70s it will have more sulphur and will fade quicker. I know, I should buy a pair.

But it's an interesting question, isn't it? Most of the quality comes from the yarn, the spinning, the dyeing... the selvage on its own signifies nothing. Does fake selvage really matter?

I would also like to know and u should buy a pair, the denim is very nice imho.

[Paul T]

OE = Open End. It's a quicker cheaper method of spinning which came in in the 70s. Now it's rare... because it's rare, some people even miss it. It has a very distinctive look, check out Levi's Orange Tab.

[rnrswitch]

OE = Open End. It's a quicker cheaper method of spinning which came in in the 70s. Now it's rare... because it's rare, some people even miss it. It has a very distinctive look, check out Levi's Orange Tab.

Is OE really not that common anymore? I thought there were a lot of ringxOE and OExring fabrics out there. Or are you speaking in terms of denim only?

Is the common stf denim OE or ring?

[entertainment!]

This thread was started by me and turned out to be hilarious. I have been meaning to revive it. I was a little tike when that thread was started. Is this the thread you were talking about?

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?t=7426

and here is the pic of the fake selvedge on that pair.

The post I am thinking of had four pictures of selvedge. Two were real and two were fake. It was a sort of quiz to see if you could tell which was which with the answer given below. I seem to remember that one of the fake selvedge had red and green threads in honor of Italy.

[rnrswitch]

The post I am thinking of had four pictures of selvedge. Two were real and two were fake. It was a sort of quiz to see if you could tell which was which with the answer given below. I seem to remember that one of the fake selvedge had red and green threads in honor of Italy.

I still might be thinking of a different thread, but I remember one started by horriblyjollyjinx that showed like 5 or 6 different denims and he asked us to guess where they were produced china or japan.

If there is this ringring post with different selvedges i would love to see it, though.

[Paul T]

I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a photo here of true fake (?) selvage with the folded-in thread.

OE is getting increasingly rare, according to ringring, he mentioned how one insider was saying they need to save the machines because they'll all be gone soon.

I'm sure there's a lot of ring/OE around; but OE/OE, which at one time was used in a lot of premium brands, seems comparatively rare now, so people will be waxing nostalgic about that 'orange peel' look before too long. It's a bit like 1970s Fenders; yes, the 50s ones were better, but when every copy is based on the 50s examples, it makes a 70s THinline or Starcaster seem all the more rare, cool and collectible.

[t.wayne]

This thread was started by me and turned out to be hilarious. I have been meaning to revive it. I was a little tike when that thread was started. Is this the thread you were talking about?

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?t=7426

Just read through that entire thread. Hilarious!

[entertainment!]

The post by ringring is reposted here:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36337269&postcount=1336

I can't track it down on superfuture although it is supposed to come from here.

The post even mentions kiya.

[rnrswitch]

The post by ringring is reposted here:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36337269&postcount=1336

I can't track it down on superfuture although it is supposed to come from here.

The post even mentions kiya.

Oh yeah. I have seen that before.

[Paul T]

It's worth adding to ringring's post that, despite perceptions, there are plenty of looms that will produce wide, genuine selvage. Like this one on eBay.

[beeetus]

Hey Kiya. How limited a run are the MF Californians? Will you be restocking sizes at all, or is it once they're gone, they're gone?

[kiya]

Hey Kiya. How limited a run are the MF Californians? Will you be restocking sizes at all, or is it once they're gone, they're gone?

We might be able to get one more small restock, then they'll be all gone.

[beeetus]

We might be able to get one more small restock, then they'll be all gone.

Damn. That's what I figured.

[JackCrank]

@ Tmadd - big props to you, my friend! SELA is lucky to have ya!

Whatwhat? SE doesn't stock lewis. Explain yourself. I just scored some sick 60's aviakit boots and a jacket.

[kiya]

Whatwhat? SE doesn't stock lewis. Explain yourself. I just scored some sick 60's aviakit boots and a jacket.

Actually.. Self Edge is the ONLY stockist of D.Lewis in America.

We've got tees, flannels, rayons, workshirts..

[DENIM SAILOR]

Kiya, i just read the posts about your surgery i hope you have a swift recovery brother!

ps. i love my IH jeans that i got from you at SELA!!!!!!!!!!!!

cheers Scott

[mr.invincible]

does SELA do repairs?

[kiya]

does SELA do repairs?

We will be starting sometime in October.

[Spaghettini]

hey kiya, i hope the heart surgery went well, my father went through the same thing so i know how rough it is.

i am posting because of a complaint about the NY shop... i had recommended SENY to a friend for his denim repairs, so he dropped off two pairs for repair on monday, the 13th. the website said it would be finished in 2-6 days, but the employee in store said it might be up to a week.

the following monday he calls up, inquiring about the status of the jeans, and the employee in the store ended up getting a little rude to him. they told him it would be ready on wednesday and they would get in touch with him. no call from anyone, so he calls and they tell him thursday or friday. same thing happens again when he follows up on friday, and they tell him monday or tuesday the latest (this employee was actually nice and helpful).

it has now been two weeks and he hasn't received one call from anyone and had to chase them... he is most upset that he didn't receive any updates/information from the employees and just wants his jeans back at this point. is there anything you can do for him to expedite the process?

[i wear shooes]

Hey Kiya, or anyone else that can help me out, I have been wearing my SEXFH05BK's for a while now and I love the cut. Is there a pair of jeans in store right now that is similar or an almost identical cut?

Thanks

[cure]

if you're looking for taper, the flathead BSPs. not sure if the sexi08s are out, but theyre a little looser cut.

[kiya]

Hey Kiya, or anyone else that can help me out, I have been wearing my SEXFH05BK's for a while now and I love the cut. Is there a pair of jeans in store right now that is similar or an almost identical cut?

Thanks

I would check out the SE05BSP from Flat Head, different denim and the cut is similar. Or check out the 103BSP from RJB, similar cut just a lower rise.

Edit: Spaghetti, Really sorry about that. Andrew will be responding you shortly.

[ajchen]

it has now been two weeks and he hasn't received one call from anyone and had to chase them... he is most upset that he didn't receive any updates/information from the employees and just wants his jeans back at this point. is there anything you can do for him to expedite the process?

Spaghetti, I've sent you a PM regarding your friend's concerns. For all jean repairs at SENY, we require a one week turnaround (sometimes more) and we did communicate that to him. These did take longer due to the severity of the repairs on the jeans, and we provided him with updates whenever he called. We typically don't call customers ourselves until the jean is ready to pick up.

With that said, his jeans will be finished by tomorrow afternoon. We'll call him when they are ready.