Denime

[Lazerr]

6 hours ago, 1fookntitefd said:

Do you have BIG style measurements?

Sure thing:

Waist: 18.25", FR: 13", BR: 17.5", Thigh: 13.75", Knee: 10", LO: 9", Inseam: 34"

[NilsLW]

Denime styled by japanese Begin magazine in 1993 and in 2023.
This sort of relaxed understated style definitely hits the spot for me.



https://www.e-begin.jp/article/310481/

Edited July 5, 2023 by NilsLW

[beautiful_FrEaK]

On 7/4/2023 at 3:33 AM, Lazerr said:

Sure thing:

Waist: 18.25", FR: 13", BR: 17.5", Thigh: 13.75", Knee: 10", LO: 9", Inseam: 34"

Based on the inseam there is still some good shrinkage left in the fabric. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Lot.220A coming along 

[Lazerr]

On 7/6/2023 at 12:19 PM, beautiful_FrEaK said:

Based on the inseam there is still some good shrinkage left in the fabric. 

Thanks for that info, I'm going to give it a shot with a machine wash and dry. It's somewhat baggy in the top block but I'll try to take measurements afterwards to see how much shrinkage I was able to get. 

[bod]

I noticed Kafka Mercantile have a small selection of Lot220A Jeans, Tees, Sweats n Hoodies

Edited July 11, 2023 by bod

[Lazerr]

Managed to do a machine dry on my Denime 220 to get more shrinkage, and I managed to get quite a bit! Here are some measurements:

Fist hot soak/Hang dry: Waist: 18.25", FR: 13", BR: 17.5", Thigh: 13.75", Knee: 10", LO: 9", Inseam: 34"

Post machine dry: Waist: 17.5", FR: 12.5", Thigh: 13.25", LO: 8.75", Inseam: 33"

Just need to get them hemmed and they should be good to go  

[1fookntitefd]

13 minutes ago, Lazerr said:

Managed to do a machine dry on my Denime 220 to get more shrinkage, and I managed to get quite a bit! Here are some measurements:

Fist hot soak/Hang dry: Waist: 18.25", FR: 13", BR: 17.5", Thigh: 13.75", Knee: 10", LO: 9", Inseam: 34"

Post machine dry: Waist: 17.5", FR: 12.5", Thigh: 13.25", LO: 8.75", Inseam: 33"

Just need to get them hemmed and they should be good to go  

What is the knee measurement post machine dry? 

[Lazerr]

1 hour ago, 1fookntitefd said:

What is the knee measurement post machine dry? 

Knee is about 9.8” now

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Incredible find here.
I was longing for the 10th 1937 model for a long time and this would be miy size (as they run small). But honestly I would never really wear a cinch model and I already have the 1952 pair so...maybe someone esle wants to buy them?

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/e1101198028/

[beautiful_FrEaK]

And the Lot.220A today

[indigoeagle]

5 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

Incredible find here.
I was longing for the 10th 1937 model for a long time and this would be miy size (as they run small). But honestly I would never really wear a cinch model and I already have the 1952 pair so...maybe someone esle wants to buy them?

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/e1101198028/

Interesting. Let's see, where the price will go to in the next three days.
So the Lot 541 is the 1952 model?

Both the 1937 and the Lot 541 are 10 year anniversary models from 1997?

[MJF9]

What measurements could be expected on these two pairs @beautiful_FrEaK?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Yes, both models were introduced for the 10th anniversary. 1998 would have been that. The seller might remember wrong.

The Lot# on those was generic. I have 2 pairs of the 1952 model and they have different numbers. 

They should measure raw = tag size and the 1937 might be even a tad undersized from the other pairs I saw over the years.

[MJF9]

Thanks BF... I was thinking about the actual individual measurements? Ideal if the originals are available (tho noted it's been a long time!).. if not do you know the most likely approximate charts for each? Cheers

[beautiful_FrEaK]

My 2nd pair of 1952 measure as follows:

Lot. B 612

 

Size 34

Raw

 

Waist: 34

Front rise: 12.25

Back rise: 16.25

Thighs: 13.5

Knee: 9.8

Leg opening: 9.25

Inseam: 34.5

 

My first pair was at 35" in the waist raw.

 

The 1937 I have no charts at hand but @Bobbo has a pair:

https://indigoveins.com/category/denime-2/denime-10th-anniversary-1937/

[MJF9]

Thank you bF

[beautiful_FrEaK]

@MJF9 you are going to bid on them?

[MJF9]

@beautiful_FrEaK that denim is definitely appealing so I was curious... alas the 52s would be too small / a crush post wash so will pass. Maybe the seller will split them if they don't sell as a pair

@Bobbo how are your 37s coming along pal?

[SpriteOdin]

On 7/8/2023 at 2:32 AM, beautiful_FrEaK said:

Lot.220A coming along 

Looks like the 2 tone when new dissipated after those washes. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

^ Still noticeable in real life though

[southofnonorth]

Forgive the n00b question about the Lot. 220a, but I've seen mixed descriptions from retailers. How does the size of the Lot. 220a compare to Warehouse 1001 sizing? And are they a 40s, 50s, or 60s, (or none of the above) cut?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

^ they are an early 50s pair but Denime not the strictest repro brand. No experience with the 1001, sorry.

Lot.220A (brown belt, 4-5 months wear) compared to old Denime 66XX (at least double the wear time). 

[Thanks_M8]

^New ones are fast faders it seems. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

On 8/3/2023 at 5:28 PM, MJF9 said:

Maybe the seller will split them if they don't sell as a pair

Too bad, it sold for 70k with 1 bid. But maybe it was you?

 

@Thanks_M8 yeah the new denim definitely fades faster than the original one.

Edited August 7, 2023 by beautiful_FrEaK

[MJF9]

Nah wasn't me mate... however I did scratch the itch with a pair of 220A  ... will report back later

[beautiful_FrEaK]

On 3/16/2023 at 1:18 PM, Maynard Friedman said:

I’ve just read that the Kyoto model was introduced first and then the Tokyo model was released for the (now closed) Sendagaya store in 2005. This would make the Tokyo edition a Shins only release.

Coming back to this, I think we have to correct our theory. Tokyo model made by Orizzonti

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/special/order/confirm/https%3A%2F%2Fjp.mercari.com%2Fitem%2Fm14661085817/13_1/

[Maynard Friedman]

Good detective work. Could they have been produced under both Shins AND Orizzonti ownership?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

So you mean some kind of transistion period? Sure, could be.

I think hoggreaser saw something similar with the 10th anniversary pairs where both the labels from Orizzonti and D-HG-1118 were used on different pairs.

[MJF9]

Scratched the Denime itch with these Lot 220As, courtesy of the gents at Kafka (thanks Bod for the tip-off)

Went for size 36, rather than my usual 34 - based on measurements, potential shrinkage and not wanting a ‘tight fit’.  

I washed them 3 x in total – 30C with line dry, 40C with line dry and 40C with tumble dryer.

Out the bag they were super stiff.  Really nice to have that crunchy cardboard hand feel again – my recent purchases have been Freewheelers which I find soften quite quickly. That said, after the last wash and tumble dry they’re now pretty soft.  The extra wash and tumble dry clearly done this - though I don't know the extent to which extra wash and tumble dry contributed individually (bit would be interested if anyone has a view).  I usually avoid tumble drying as when I have it's softened the denim a lot but I wanted to see if I could get more inseam and waist shrinkage. The answer was only a little 

I really like them.  There is good room in the thighs (I had wondered if this would be an issue – it’s not), plenty in the waist (in reality I could easily have gone with a 34 and been comfortable after some wear) and the rises work well for me.  The denim is smooth to the touch, probably helped as I ironed them inside out as they were crinkly after the tumble dry.  I’ll probably use them for work.

I’m visiting the big smoke next week so plan to get them hemmed at SoaS / Soldier Blue, hopefully while I wait.  One reasonably small turn-up will do the trick.

A few before and after pics – raw v after a 40C wash and line dry... plus a table of approximate measurements!