Dior Homme Denim (FAQ ON FIRST PAGE - read me)

[paradigm_shift]

What were the differences between the Italian made Coal drills v.s. Japanese 19cm raw? (I know the differences between Italian Raw v.s. Jap Raw... is it the same thing?)

[rirawin]

Guess you're right, but I wanted a pair which I could wear to work (as in they'd pass as casual trousers) and non-work related stuff!

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Is that a good or bad thing FTB ? I wear them low... I size down for those and they're pretty tight as it is... so it's not like I've got a baggy pair or sized up! Does Mike look very Dior?

Close up pics tomorrow when there's daylight and I'm not so tired!

it's neither a good or bad thing, i certainly didn't mean it as an insult as i dig your style...but it just doesn't look like the effect one would be buying a pair of Dior jeans for, that's all. It's not a problem...if you like it that's fine as you mix it into your everyday style well.

to be honest, the way i wear dior isn't very dior either for everyday...just a basic look...unless i'm wearin the full suit or the distressed turtleneck.

[rirawin]

I guess you're right, as a lot of people wear Dior and "dress up", maybe Minya for example. But for me, I dress down. I like Dior purely because of their cuts, and for me they suit my style and the way I like to wear them. I mean you saw the nightmare I had with my previous 2 pairs (r45rpm and Samurai)...

[Guest Fade to Black]

I don't really see anything special about the 21cm or the Italian made Diors. I tried the 21cms and they were nothing special. It seems like the best cut, and the most "Dior", is the jap 19cm. Why anyone would pay the premium for anything else is beyond me.

well i think it depends on your body shape too...the 21 cm is still a flattering if somewhat looser version of the 19 cm look, and if you're taller like me often times it is a more balanced look than goin into some razor slim 19 cms...hedi himself has demonstrated wearin the 21s with flair in quite a few of his pics. However if you're shorter and really thin then of course i would suggest goin for 19 cm for best effect. just depends on your look and style.

also the jeans from earlier seasons were cut a lot baggier, so the 19 cm i find looks a lot like what the 21 cms do today...it's still a dior look but just different interpretation.

[doctorgnar]

well i think it depends on your body shape too...the 21 cm is still a flattering if somewhat looser version of the 19 cm look, and if you're taller like me often times it is a more balanced look than goin into some razor slim 19 cms...hedi himself has demonstrated wearin the 21s with flair in quite a few of his pics. However if you're shorter and really thin then of course i would suggest goin for 19 cm for best effect. just depends on your look and style.

also the jeans from earlier seasons were cut a lot baggier, so the 19 cm i find looks a lot like what the 21 cms do today...it's still a dior look but just different interpretation.

Yeah, and I think that lots of people on here look great in their 21s. For me they didn't work so well, but you're right, I'm not very tall and that's probably why.

It just doesn't make sense to me that people would buy them over all the other jeans out there with similar cuts and much lower price tags. For me the 19cm is where it's at, and is worth the price.

[masterpp]

you guys are going to think im nuts. i already have a pair of raw 19 japanese 19s size 31, and many of you will look at the pictures below and think they are already baggy. however, as you will see from the attached pics of me in my washed new standarts, the ones above the text, which are a 31 and although a little bagg are perfect for me, i like my clothes smart but comfy.

i basically have a tiny waist, my 19's can be pulled off me without unbuttoning, but i play a lot of sport so have huge huge thighs.

so bascially i find my size 31's too uncomfy too wear, although i think they look great in the pictures ive given, they are just too fitted for me- i cant move properly. you can tell from the ns my kind of style, casual conservative with a twists, lots of blazers, alexander mcqueen is my favourite designer,

so ill either sell my diors or give them to my bro.

what should i get instead. i was thinking of 32 or 33, only in the 19 cut, i like my jeans tapered, bu cant decide between these two sizes or whether to go with japanese or italian (i much prefere the japanese but if i can wear it due to the stiffness!!!)

i love the details of the dior but i just find them hard to wear- so what would you recommend i got. also taking into account how happy i am with my washed NS, although i could easily fit into a 30, what size raw NS should i get.

cheers for the advice on both these points.

I am 5.10, 150 pounds, large thighs

ps i like the way these guys rock their jeans (sorry for using images.

[dnarnya]

when is the next season going to be in the dior homme boutiques? i was told to check back then for my size... i was also told that everything was going to be japanese. thanks.

[rirawin]

The rise is slightly lower, by about a cm compared to the Dior 19cm Japans

[mike lowrey]

you guys are going to think im nuts. i already have a pair of raw 19 japanese 19s size 31, and many of you will look at the pictures below and think they are already baggy. however, as you will see from the attached pics of me in my washed new standarts, the ones above the text, which are a 31 and although a little bagg are perfect for me, i like my clothes smart but comfy.

i basically have a tiny waist, my 19's can be pulled off me without unbuttoning, but i play a lot of sport so have huge huge thighs.

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so bascially i find my size 31's too uncomfy too wear, although i think they look great in the pictures ive given, they are just too fitted for me- i cant move properly. you can tell from the ns my kind of style, casual conservative with a twists, lots of blazers, alexander mcqueen is my favourite designer,

so ill either sell my diors or give them to my bro.

what should i get instead. i was thinking of 32 or 33, only in the 19 cut, i like my jeans tapered, bu cant decide between these two sizes or whether to go with japanese or italian (i much prefere the japanese but if i can wear it due to the stiffness!!!)

i love the details of the dior but i just find them hard to wear- so what would you recommend i got. also taking into account how happy i am with my washed NS, although i could easily fit into a 30, what size raw NS should i get.

cheers for the advice on both these points.

I am 5.10, 150 pounds, large thighs

will they still be comfortable to wear if you size up on the waist? because if they're already falling off of you.. I personally hate jeans that are too loose in the waist, when you strap them up with a belt the waist will bunch up beneath it. so sizing up isn't a good idea in imo.

switching to 21's isn't probably a good idea either since they will be looser in the lower leg and the 19's seem to fit you well there. but they would probably be better in the thighs. its kind of hard to say since in the pics the 19's seem to fit well and the New Standards dont look much looser?

you could get the raw NS's, they fit a little looser in the thighs. but the hem will also be wider than in the 19's. sizing should be pretty similar to dior.

[masterpp]

i was thinking of sizing up one size, in either italian or japanese, and then having the waist taken in.

[xcoldricex]

you really have large thighs and you can fit into the 19cms? i remember trying on diors two years ago and not being able to put them on at all.

[Astérix]

yeah...i dunno if it's due to his body shape or whatever, but rirawin wearing Diors doesn't look very Dior at all.

I agree...they fit Rirawin's style, not Dior's style.

[mike lowrey]

well as long as they look good. the typical dior look probably consists of long legs, so that might be why? dont know, imo his diors look great nevertheless.

[VDSUPREME]

Just a quick check, those who bought yr black raw denims were from the current season? (6HH101XXXX)

[masterpp]

gusy sorry, to get my diors looking like this dudes,

http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imgp0304hs3.jpg

and keeping in mind what i look like in the japnese 19 31s in my above pics, to get them looking more anti fit and comfy should i size up one or two sizes, and go for the japanese or italian. i much prefere the new standard anti fit style, and i like a really stiff and angular/bunched denim, as i think it looks more interesting than the spray on fitted/stretch style

so what should i get- the main problem isnt the waste or bottom of legs, its the thighs and pockets, which are very restrictive i cant even use the pockets, although i can do up the waist anywhere- stomach hips, thighs, very easily

[nairb49]

I have the same problem, and basically IMO, to get that look you basically need smaller thighs, which is unlikely to happen.

Sizing up to get that kind of hang around the thigh/leg will put the rest of the jean out of proportion, at least in my experience.

I'd say try the 21s

[dismalfuture]

^ those are mine, in a 29, which I felt got a bit too baggy for my own taste. I guess you could say those are sized up one (those also stretched out a lot), because I just bought 28's and prefer the seat/waist fitting on those. I'm having the legs tapered in even more on my 28's so they look a little more Dior'ish.

The selvedge model seem to have a roomier seat/crotch/ever so slightly wide thigh and the smaller hems. In 29, it was about 40cm across at the waist and less than 17cm at the hems. My non-selvedge Italian 28's were 38 and 18, respectively. You can see that even though both were '19cm' models' there's quite a difference between each specific model.

If possible, I would try out a 32 in the Japanese 19's, and then see what you think for yourself. The one extra size might help you move a little easier as you want, and going Japanese will keep the hem size down.

[konsl]

How does one stop their Dior Homme denim from bleeding the fuck all over one's expensive suede shoes? Indigo on grey suede = not cool.

[dancancer]

Tape the inside with masking tape.

[baldy]

i dunno if this is stupid or not, but where can i find some diors in nyc?

[Kasper]

i dunno if this is stupid or not, but where can i find some diors in nyc?

the Dior store...

there was some at Saks last time i was there, new yorkers can probably help more about other locations...

[doctorgnar]

Barneys, Saks, Jeffery and the DH store.

[ddohnggo]

i'm a noob on dior denim, but are there japanese 19 cm orange overdyes? i've haven't seen any yet, only 21 cm italians.

[nairb49]

I had never seen the italian denim, but checked it out a couple days ago as a prospective to replace my japanese 21. The denim is soooooooo different, and from what it seems, quite a bit worse....

Granted, mine are from a while back, so maybe this year is just different in general. Any thoughts?

[cultpop 0217]

you guys are going to think im nuts. i already have a pair of raw 19 japanese 19s size 31, and many of you will look at the pictures below and think they are already baggy. however, as you will see from the attached pics of me in my washed new standarts, the ones above the text, which are a 31 and although a little bagg are perfect for me, i like my clothes smart but comfy.

i basically have a tiny waist, my 19's can be pulled off me without unbuttoning, but i play a lot of sport so have huge huge thighs.

so bascially i find my size 31's too uncomfy too wear, although i think they look great in the pictures ive given, they are just too fitted for me- i cant move properly. you can tell from the ns my kind of style, casual conservative with a twists, lots of blazers, alexander mcqueen is my favourite designer,

so ill either sell my diors or give them to my bro.

what should i get instead. i was thinking of 32 or 33, only in the 19 cut, i like my jeans tapered, bu cant decide between these two sizes or whether to go with japanese or italian (i much prefere the japanese but if i can wear it due to the stiffness!!!)

i love the details of the dior but i just find them hard to wear- so what would you recommend i got. also taking into account how happy i am with my washed NS, although i could easily fit into a 30, what size raw NS should i get.

cheers for the advice on both these points.

I am 5.10, 150 pounds, large thighs

ps i like the way these guys rock their jeans (sorry for using images.

you are nuts.

they look great.

i say keep wearing them. they will stretch and will probably end up baggier than you thought.

[cousteau]

hello gentlemen,

i'm trying to get ahold of some dry/undistressed 19cm jeans. I know the DH sizing is a bit funky, and am wondering if some one can answer some questions. How much can the denim stretch? Is there a stretching difference between the italians and the japanese? is there a weight difference between the two? are the waist sizes the same between the two? I'm don't know if I should get a pair of 30 or 31's. I wear size 32 in Nudie slim jims, 30 in diesel, and i think typically 32. I went to barneys (where they told me they dont carry odd sizes) and tried on a 32, it was huge, and tried on a 30 which was pretty tight. i'm not sure if i couldnt get the clasp shut or if i didnt want to damage the jeans. I want the jeans to stay pretty tight/slim. so if anyone has any advice, that would be awesome.cheers

[ayn]

Hi cousteau, I would go with 29 or even 28 for Jap 19cm.

[chim]

go with your diesel size, 29 or 28 in a jap 19cm will destroy your nuts

[MadRopes]

So I want to buy a pair of 19cm brut Italians... I wear a 28-29 in diesel... I checked browns website and they only have a 29 in stock, no 28... Wil a 29 be alright do you guys think?

I am 6 feet, 148 pounds.

Thanks.