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Some things I'd like to point out about the AI summaries: -The 03 cut is not new, but the pair released last year was the first time they had offered it (outside of one Barnstormer pair) in 10+ years. -I'd argue that they don't use "grey weft yarns" on their jeans, the only pairs that had this was the S&S contest, LHT from years ago and the DB01s from Denim Bruin. -They only ever used the "time machine" finish on one pair, this isn't something they've used widely. -The boss pants were also made in a 10 oz. denim. The problem with a lot of AI summarization tools is that they'll try to pass off bits of interconnected information as undeniable fact, often times without any sense of contextual understanding. This is popularized by the RAGs technique (retrieval augmented generation), interlacing variable sources from across the web. But the downfall is that at the end of the day, ML is just a series of yes / no or 0 / 1 relationships layered on top of linguistic interpretation, and will never be able to fully replicate our own understanding of a niche topic like this. This is all coming from someone who's company is pushing AI garbage down our throats, it's interesting technology but the way people (read: CEOs) are convinced that it'll replace us measly humans is laughable.7 points
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... how did perplexity.ai do? (PS I had to instruct it to use Sufu as a source as it didn't in it's initial response... pfff) Ooe Yofukuten is a highly respected Japanese denim brand known for its meticulous reproduction of vintage-inspired jeans and workwear. The brand is run by husband and wife team Ryo and Hiro Ooe, who operate out of a small workshop in Aichi, Japan. History Originally starting as a custom denim maker, Ooe Yofukuten gained a strong cult following, eventually transitioning to producing limited-run series of jeans and other products4. The brand has evolved from making well-made but unremarkable jeans to becoming one of the most respected denim makers in the market, known for their quality, fit, and innovative designs. Denim and Construction Ooe Yofukuten uses various denims, including: 13.5oz unsanforized raw denim with grey weft yarns1 10oz duck canvas cloth for certain historical reproductions3 14oz unsanforized broken twill selvedge denim4 The brand is known for its "time wash" process, a unique aging technique that gives the denim the appearance of deadstock jeans from decades ago4 Construction details often include: Iron buttons and copper rivets1 Hidden back pocket rivets2 Period-correct details like unfinished seams and cotton stitching3 Fit and Style Codes OA02: Their most popular fit, known for its slim cut with a high rise and gradual taper24 OA01: A classic straight-leg cut with a medium to high rise1 S03XX: A new fit inspired by 1940s WWII-era jeans, featuring a high rise and wide straight leg Notable Products 1870s Tailor Made Waist Overalls: High-waisted jeans inspired by 1870s designs3 OA01XXS Jeans: Collaboration with Standard & Strange, based on mid-century styles1 1906 Sleeveless Outing Coat The Boss Pants: Made with 12.5oz Khaki Selvedge Duck According to discussions on Superfuture's Superdenim forum, Ooe Yofukuten is highly regarded in the denim community. The brand has an extensive thread spanning over 130 pages, indicating a strong following among denim enthusiasts56. Forum members consistently praise the brand for its quality, craftsmanship, and comfortable fits. Ooe Yofukuten's commitment to historical accuracy and vintage-inspired designs has earned it a respected place in the world of artisanal denim. Their attention to detail, from the use of period-correct materials to their unique aging processes, sets them apart in the market. Citations: https://www.heddels.com/2018/07/ooe-yofukuten-x-standard-strange-oa01xxs-jeans/ https://indigoveins.com/ooe-yofukuten-oa02xx/ https://www.heddels.com/2019/02/ooe-yofukuten-ducks-1870s-tailor-made-waist-overalls/ https://almostvintagestyle.com/2018/02/14/one-man-denim-brand-battle-ooe-yofukuten-x-standard-and-strange-x-1966-time-wash-denim-review/ https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/64585-ooe-yofukuten-co/page/2/ https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/64585-ooe-yofukuten-co/page/119/ https://denimbmc.com/what-are-historical-reproduction-jeans/ https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/s-s-x-ooe-yofukuten-oa-lot-soa03xxd-0823-jeans-1940s-wide-straight-fit-size-36.114195/ https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/64585-ooe-yofukuten-co/page/124/ https://www.heddels.com/brand/ooe-yofukuten/features/ https://www.heddels.com/2012/04/raw-denim-in-japan-a-photo-tour-of-ooe-yofukuten/ https://almostvintagestyle.com/2020/07/25/ooe-yofukuten-moleskin-cossack-jacket-review/ https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/topic/424/ooe-yofukuten-co/11 https://standardandstrange.com/collections/ooe-yofukuten https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/8k55ex/brand_spotlight_ooe_yofukuten/ https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/64585-ooe-yofukuten-co/page/125/ https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/160236-ooe-yofukuten-x-ss-official-contest-thread-2016/page/21/ https://ironheart.co.uk/forum/topic/424/ooe-yofukuten-co/109?page=2 https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/134802-ooe-yofukuten-co-denim-contest/ https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/64585-ooe-yofukuten-co/page/132/ https://indigoamateur.com/2021/09/10/the-waist-overall-and-my-ooe-yofuketen-mechanic-overalls/ http://mohsinsajid.blogspot.com/2012/06/continuous-fly-by-david-neustadter.html https://standardandstrange.com/products/oa-lot-soa03xxd-0125-jeans-1940s-wide-straight-fit https://almostvintagestyle.com/2019/08/08/the-top-ten-best-denim-brands/ https://www.grailed.com/designers/ooe-yofukuten https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/64585-ooe-yofukuten-co/page/123/ https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/64585-ooe-yofukuten-co/page/120/ https://supertalk.superfuture.com/topic/64585-ooe-yofukuten-co/page/115/ Answer from Perplexity: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/1a7d0e28-e6d3-4a75-8733-46825f4889c6?0=r&login-source=visitorGate&login-new=true&utm_source=copy_output7 points
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Hey all. Here are my Warehouse 1101, worn regularly for about 18 months I think. Gotta love how the Banner denim evolves. I began wearing them a little before my eldest son was born in 2017 and discovered a whole new world of knee fades upon his arrival 😌… Jumping forward a few years, I’ve started wearing them again recently so will aim to get better shots of them on here later down the line.7 points
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I was telling the boy about pre decimalised currency yesterday “before 1971 and long before I was born there was 240 pence to the pound.. but even when I was a kid we still had 1/2 pence so half of 1p” “I’ve got some old money in my toolbox at work, I’ll bring you a 1/2p coin home” When I gave it to him, he said “oh I thought it would look like a 1p cut in half.. sort of half moon shaped? “6 points
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I take the effort heuristic pretty seriously when I recognize AI content in most cases. That is, I skip right over that shit. It could be 100% accurate (it isn’t, usually), but when a real human isn’t taking the time to make it - it’s just not where I want to put my attention. I mostly encounter this in creative mediums, where AI, to me, has produced a gigaton of positively boring digital nonsense. I try to stay open minded and I know there are practical applications but if I were all that practical I probably wouldn’t be on a denim forum either. There are exceptions but the people I see perpetuating the technology and the places I see it coming from in general do no favors for my attempt at open-mindedness.5 points
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Far too big a chunk of the internet already comprises pages primarily populated by and (increasingly) consumed by AI. This adds nothing in the way of original content, and makes it significantly more difficult to filter out trustworthy info when searching. The last thing we need is for real human contributors to begin actively helping add to the noise. I’m certainly not fundamentally against this style of AI assistant tool. If someone wanted a quick summary of the first 130 pages of this thread without all the banter, the prompts you entered would be a great way to achieve it. The (rather big) problem arises when the output of the AI models gets posted straight back to the same pages that the models are using for training in the first place. Now, in five years, when someone wants to ask their AI assistant to summarize the first 230 pages of this thread, the model isn’t likely to appropriately distinguish between original human-generated content and amalgamated machine-generated content when building its impression. The feedback loop that this generates doesn’t have any happy endings. Use AI all you want to help with your personal or professional life, but keep whatever it outputs away from any information aggregates like forums or social media. (I know it’s all in good humor and no real harm’s being done, and I hope the neg rep isn’t taken personally—that’s what the rep buttons are for, right?)5 points
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I’m gonna pass but S+S still looked to have the smaller sizes. Brief run down 001 - straightish 002 straight with slight taper (60s) 003 - straight (wider hem) top blocks all pretty similar. If you don’t like the top block of one pair for your waist size, time better spent moving on to a different brand most likely, or trying that size up sloppy waist deal.5 points
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@shredwin_206 Picked up the ‘47 506xx! I’d been meaning for a while to check out Brogue, which is around 40 minutes from me over in San Carlos. They’re closed on Sundays, which is my main running around day, so it didn’t seem like it was gonna happen organically. Finally made the time yesterday to drive over there and spend a while browsing, and it was a great setup. Decent selection of Freewheelers and also Timeworn Clothing, neither of which are ever available at any of the other shops around here. Overall a pretty cool vibe; it reminded me a lot of Standard & Strange 10ish years ago before they started focusing so heavily on artsier / more fashion forward brands. Seemed really well curated—certainly not everything there was for me personally, but everything that I saw did at least seem interesting and well thought-out, and the whole selection seemed cohesive and intentional, which is more at this point than I can say of Self Edge or Standard & Strange, as much as they both have going for them. I was mostly interested in trying out some At Last & Co., but nothing that they had in my size really spoke to me. Tried on the TVW 506xx just out of curiosity though, and I’m glad I did. I always figured if I bought a new TVW jacket I’d get it from Seiichiro, and I also always figured I’d take a size 44. Turns out the 44 was way too small (!), so it’s a really good thing I got to try one out in person. Ended up going with a 46 and it fits perfect. Pictures to come.5 points
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Edit: 1947 601xx, 100 wears Edit: 1951 601xx, ~150 wears I didn't wear them for all of 2024, so they look pretty much the same; I was wearing the Dior Homme's. Now I'm wearing my Samurai Russia Edition until September 1. I've got a pair of Oni Ishikawadai's squirreled away for the Indigo Invitational. I should've joined the Word of Mouth contest. @shredwin_2065 points
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We took our daughter out to the local wildflower center near our house yesterday, hard to believe she's already 3 months old. I've had a hard time documenting much lately, but I'm working on it! Before and after one of our pups got a (long overdue) haircut. Keeping watching during playtime. I've got a bunch of fancy sneakers but somehow I always end up back in these ones from Catchball. Seen a guy at one of our local coffee shops wearing some wide FH's and Paraboots.5 points
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Perfect, saved me 140 pages! To add (for more detailed history): Ooe Yofukuten is a Japanese denim and heritage clothing brand with a rich history rooted in family tradition and a passion for vintage garments. The brand is owned and operated by the husband-and-wife duo Ryo (Ryohei Ooe) and Hiro (Hiroko Ooe). The Ooe family's connection to clothing craftsmanship dates back to Ryo's grandfather, who was a tailor operating under the family name Ooe. Ryo's father continued the family's manufacturing tradition as a boxmaker. Ryo initially worked at an engineering firm but harbored a deep passion for vintage clothing. His endless search for the perfect pair of jeans eventually led him to start Ooe Yofukuten with his wife Hiro. The couple began by producing small-batch denim that they sold in vintage denim markets in Japan. Their success in these markets allowed them to expand production and open their own workshop. Ooe Yofukuten's workshop is described as a "living sewing museum," featuring an impressive collection of pre-1930s sewing machines. This unique setup allows them to create garments using techniques and equipment from the industrial era, resulting in products that are deeply rooted in historical authenticity. The brand is known for its meticulous attention to detail, period-correct designs, and exceptional quality. They produce not only jeans but also a wide range of handmade goods including jackets, bags, and accessories. Ooe Yofukuten has gained a cult following in the denim and heritage clothing community, with their products often selling out quickly due to high demand. Their commitment to craftsmanship, historical accuracy, and quality has positioned them as one of the most respected brands in the Amekaji-heritage world.4 points
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No need for that Theres some great influencer short form content coming down the pipeline!4 points
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It’s funny how AI means natural when it comes to indigo dye but artificial when it comes to intelligence.3 points
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Speaking of which.. This is the down vest I wear at work through the winter.. the grime build up is just incredible, I don’t wear it outside the workshop It’s Made in USA North Face from the early 90s.. back when they were a respectable mountaineering brand, my friend bought it to go up Mont Blanc.. started running ultras, slimmed down so it was too big and gave it to me.. when it gets a puncture and starts loosing down, I superglue a little patch of gaffer tape over the hole, the silver tape eventually peels away but leaves the woven backing stuck to the pertex as a fix.. as you can see above^ gaffer tape patches old and new. I can’t wash it so every summer I buy a pack of baby wipes and scrub it down inside and out while wearing it.. then put it away for the summer.. It’s the epitome of make do and mend3 points
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Knee fades, slide wear, stains from spilled food and exploding nappies... what's not to love?3 points
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Hey all. Here are my 710, worn regularly for at least two years. I bought them in 2016 when Hayashi-san did a meet and greet in Hong Kong but only starting wearing them around 2019 I think. Really loved these jeans - My all time favourite pair - and they held up well, only blowing out at the back pocket and knee eventually. They look more washed out IRL but you get the idea…3 points
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Does anyone want to give me a quick rundown of Ooe? Denim used, fit/style codes, etc. Looking more for the last few years for denim/fit but a brief history lesson would be cool.2 points
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There’s actually a denim meetup at Brogue this Saturday from like 2-5pm if any of you are interested! I’m not going to be able to make it, but I think even some LA folks are coming up.2 points
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Oh, so you’re sliding down now? How many times a day? The picture is starting to come together. Though, if we’re being honest, Tilmann, I’m starting to think you should be disqualified from the contest! 🤣2 points
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Stopped through the Bay Area on my way back to Seattle and spent an afternoon working on a close friend’s new (to her) Saab.. it was freezing there yesterday!!! im wearing a vintage jacket, rocky mtn featherbed hoodie, duke belt, tender 132p and flat head boots.. and some merino underlayers.. and 2 pairs of socks lol2 points
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Sculptor David Smith in his studio in 1951 in a Type I. I dig the cap and workshirt too https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/3346?2 points