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after a soak or two these will shrink considerably...keep em, they will produce!

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looks fine pre wash

just curious why you bought a 30 in the 660's when you were talking about wearing a 30 in samurais. 660's fit 2 inches bigger than tag so i would think a 29 or 28 even would be more to your liking.

either way you wont be dissapointed with the jeans

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looks fine pre wash

just curious why you bought a 30 in the 660's when you were talking about wearing a 30 in samurais. 660's fit 2 inches bigger than tag so i would think a 29 or 28 even would be more to your liking.

either way you wont be dissapointed with the jeans

Chantheman & Salaami,

Gordon at BiG suggested that I order the 660's in the size 30's. I sent back the Eternal 811's because of the hip flare (which killed me, because I really loved 'em with the exception of the pretty big flare). The 660 size 30's seemed a little big to me given that I want to end up with a 31.75"-32" waist after all shrinking and stretching is done, but Gordon said that that if I went smaller then the legs might be a little tight on me. My thighs are only 20", but I'm sure he steered me in the right direction.

Do they look excessively baggy on me?

Thanks.

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Dunno if he would give a damn about your fit, but you definitely need to soak them. Also rock them with some shoes so we can see if the shit's right.

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Do they look excessively baggy on me?

Thanks.

soak them and wear them. your good to go

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I think that after a hot wash, hot tumble dry with a towel to prevent weird creases setting in, they will be fine. I think mine stretched a good 3 inches in the waist

Just for reference, here are my 660's raw, just out of the box:

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After 2x hot wash, hot dry, and some wear:

(2 months)

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(1 year)

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Tomorrow I will post updated pics of these. They are retired relegated to 1-2 wears/month. They are just falling apart all over and I'm afraid, of a tear at any one of a million places that would shred these into nothing. The crotch, left knee, and back right pocket have each been patch several times already

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Chantheman & Salaami,

Gordon at BiG suggested that I order the 660's in the size 30's. I sent back the Eternal 811's because of the hip flare (which killed me, because I really loved 'em with the exception of the pretty big flare). The 660 size 30's seemed a little big to me given that I want to end up with a 31.75"-32" waist after all shrinking and stretching is done, but Gordon said that that if I went smaller then the legs might be a little tight on me. My thighs are only 20", but I'm sure he steered me in the right direction.

Do they look excessively baggy on me?

Thanks.

i think hipflares will go away eventually with more wear.

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thats cause they were 2 sizes too big

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Just got my 700 cinch backs from BIG. Salaami wasn't joking, these things are sick, every little detail is beautiful. I wont post detail pics cause supa already did. Salaami, mine also have the stamp on the pocket bag...

Sized down to a 31, i measured the waist on these and its actually 32 pre soak (BIG site says 33) ill post post soak pics when they are out of the dryer: don't mind the dumb face

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thats cause they were 2 sizes too big

Chantheman,

The Eternal 811's were size 33 in the one-wash version, and the waist felt right. (actual waist size of 32"). If I went a size or two smaller, then the waist wouldn't have worked unless I tried the waist stretcher that was mentioned on the Eternal thread. And Gordon thinks that the hipflare could still be an issue for me if I go with a smaller size simply because of the way the jeans are cut and how they fit me.

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I just bought the 660s in a size 32. I'm a true size 33, with slightly larger thighs. Sounds about right, yea?

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I just bought the 660s in a size 32. I'm a true size 33, with slightly larger thighs. Sounds about right, yea?

yea, you could maybe even go down to a 31 tho.. do you have fit pics?

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post pics when you get them, but you should be good

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I'm a true 36" (6' 182 lbs) and Gordon recommended 32" -- I think I'll go 33" in the 660 (admittedly against Gordon's recco) unless I go 34" in the one wash 800 ... leaning towards 660 though.

Consensus from the 660 contest thread seems to be down two from stated waist for "normal" fit, down three for "sufu" fit. I sized down two on my first raw (APC NS 34) and they are WAY too loose in the waist . . . (boring APC waist/vanity size/noob and stretch = yawn).

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size down 2 will prob lead to crotch tear

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Honestly - I think sizing down 1 - max 2 is perfect for the 660...

4 sizes down gives u a hell of a chance to blow ur crotch out after a couple of weeks - plus - u won´t be able to move as freely...

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sized down 3 with WH660 and fits great (although i lost some weight recently so maybe its more like i sized down 2...)

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My actual waist is ~36 and I got a 33W for the contest, which I thought was a little big. They ended up being very comfortable. Recently, as an award for 3rd place in the contest, I got another pair and chose a 32W this time, but those I can just button up raw, so I don't think I'll be able to wear them unless I lose a lot of weight. I haven't washed them yet, so maybe I"ll be able to exchange for a larger size

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I'm a true 36" (6' 182 lbs) and Gordon recommended 32" -- I think I'll go 33" in the 660 (admittedly against Gordon's recco) unless I go 34" in the one wash 800 ... leaning towards 660 though.

Consensus from the 660 contest thread seems to be down two from stated waist for "normal" fit, down three for "sufu" fit. I sized down two on my first raw (APC NS 34) and they are WAY too loose in the waist . . . (boring APC waist/vanity size/noob and stretch = yawn).

I'm around the same waist as you, I'm thinking of sizing down just 1 or at most two

three would be way too much

now I just need to save up enuff money to buy these

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Here are a couple more pics of the new 660 size 30's with a measuring tape. They're too big now, but if I hot wash and hot dry them, I'm worried that the legs will end up too tight width-wise and that they'll stretch back out to where they are now in the waist. Any suggestions? Thanks.

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this wonderful thing called "belt"?!

Haha - true. I find such modern technology as the belt to be wondrous.

Even with a belt, the waist is still loose. And I'm concerned that after all is said and done that the waist will stretch back out to where it is now. Definitely not looking for a tight fit anywhere, but don't want it too loose either.

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Post soak: still riding high cause they hadn't stretched then. Still figuring out what to do with the hem. Debating whether or not to have them hemmed or not... img91905704.jpg

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