Denime

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Fit update on the Shins XX pair. They relaxed quite a bit and I already look forward to the next machine wash

Edited August 30, 2022 by beautiful_FrEaK

[Flash]

Look great with the vans 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Thanks mate!

And I need to correct myself it seems. I researched a bit as all the sewing oddities got me interested.
I looked at a lot of old Denime XX pairs from the Shins-era and the Orizzonti-era and the following detail caught my eye. You all know how on most pairs the chainstitch at the waistband exceeds the waistband and is usually tucked in. With Shins it's exactly the same. But not with Orizzonti it seems. All pairs I saw look like this, the chainstitch stops earlier:

 

It's the same with my pair so I am pretty sure I do have a real pair of Orizzonti Denime XX-type. Pretty stoked  

[Graytrain]

That's awesome. Basically the pair I am looking for. I love that fit. 

[NilsLW]

What exactly are the qualities of Orizzonti-era Denime that makes it so desirable?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Probably scarcity (especially for deadstock stuff) and the prevailing opinion across the Japanese raw denim crowd that Orizzonti was just better
Well, the denim does look more coarse than the XX denim in the Shins era and I know that construction/durability of the stitching in the Shins era was not the best. At least we had a lot of ripping threads in the contest back then.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

On 8/23/2022 at 10:38 AM, beautiful_FrEaK said:

So that would bring us to 5-6 people. Not really a lot  But I still have no feedback from BEARS

So I heard back from Naoki @ BEARS and he does not think an official contest with Warehouse/Denime will happen.
Warehosue don't seem to be very cooperative in such cases. So we would only be left with a group buy and an inofficial contest. Sorry.

[Mtvare]

That doesn't bother me at all. Not that fussed about exclusive special features and the like. I'm still up for an unofficial contest - that is, I probably wouldn't buy these jeans ordinarily but if several people on here will do so as soon as they become available and wear them consistently, I'll do the same.

[cusswords]

I’m in If there’s an unofficial contest. I’ve been wanted some Denime for a while but I've been to busy buying and wearing Warehouse. 

[tooth]

I'm up for a group buy as well.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Great! So maybe we get around 10 people. But yeah, still some months until the release...

[Graytrain]

I think the 66XX still has a bunch of shrink in them and I don't like to put too much wear on a fit that's going to change so I chucked them in the wash for a hot cycle. Pray for my muffin top. 

 

While I wait I put on the Orrizonti 66s. The comparison is wild. I really love this fit. It's like a low rise 40s fit. Denim is so much softer as well. Completely different jean in look, fit and feel. 

Both are w36

[Graytrain]

For ease of comparison 66XX:

 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Graytrain

[Graytrain]

Woops

Edited September 2, 2022 by Graytrain

[beautiful_FrEaK]

@Graytrain your fit pics don't show up

 

I was always on the fence if my Type2 is slightly too big (size 44)  and luckily I found the same model by Shins with the leather patch in a size 42. For 5.000¥ I just couldn't pass them. Also in a better condition

Unbuttoned 

Buttoned up

[oomslokop]

your 42 might feel better but i think the 44 looks better, jealous of both

[beautiful_FrEaK]

I hear ya ooms. Here's the 44 for direct comparison (fresh after their wash).

I think the 42 is "perfect" for summer with a t-shirt underneath and the 44 is better once I wear sweaters again.

[Maynard Friedman]

1 minute ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

I think the 42 is "perfect" for summer with a t-shirt underneath and the 44 is better once I wear sweaters again.

Agreed. I have a smaller fitting TCB Type I for summer wear and a slightly looser Eternal Type II for winter that I can layer underneath.

[indigoeagle]

I think the 42 looks very good on you.
I personally find them best with a tshirt or light shirt underneath anyway.

[indigoeagle]

I find it a bit similar to sweat shirt sizing.
If you like a vintage fit, you go for a shorter boxier fit with shorter sleeves.
If you like a more modern fit, it will be slimmer, and longer in the body and sleeves.

Seems a bit similar here with the 42 being more a vintage and the 44 a relatively more modern fit.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Thanks for the feedback guys

Tokyo model today

 

The denim is pretty soft, barely holds any creases

Edited September 15, 2022 by beautiful_FrEaK

[oomslokop]

best fit out of all yr denimes? so good. does the kyoto fit the same?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Probably the best fit from the backside, yes.

I think the Kyoto is slimmer, stronger taper. Closer to Resolute 710. But I can't verify that :)

[Flash]

Yet.....

[beautiful_FrEaK]

24 minutes ago, Flash said:

Yet.....

I highly doubt I'll ever find a 36 in a condition I'd like to buy

[mackie]

cross-posted from the evolution thread, my current 66OW, with an older pair of 66 in the contrast pics. I got these secondhand but I think they are a newer pair, as there is no red tag. Will have to go look at the explainers in this thread and the care tag.

 

 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

@mackie very nice! The darker pair is definitely from the Wego era. Printed paper patch and no red tab is the give away 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

On 9/1/2022 at 2:06 PM, beautiful_FrEaK said:

So I heard back from Naoki @ BEARS and he does not think an official contest with Warehouse/Denime will happen.
Warehosue don't seem to be very cooperative in such cases. So we would only be left with a group buy and an inofficial contest. Sorry.

I contacted Warehouse directly about the release and a contest.

Release is planned for February 2023 and regarding contest they just went silent...

So if we want to do it, we can only do it on out own

[MJF9]

@beautiful_FrEaK what measurements charts do you expect each of these pairs to be similar to? Out of curiosity of course…

[beautiful_FrEaK]

@MJF9 that's really hard to tell. I expect the XX to stay pretty true to the original. 

The BigE model should be a bit wider than the old 66 model. So maybe similar to WH's own 1101 cut? We have to wait i fear