Denime

[yung_flynn]

On 4/14/2024 at 6:59 PM, Maynard Friedman said:

I’m surprised no-one has snapped up these W33 Kyotos for an attractive price. I can’t quite tell from the photos but they look nearly new.

After a long period of deliberation and remeasuring my slimmest pair (a modern day 501 that I still keep as reference and which is slimmer than the Kyotos), I finally scooped these up today. 

There aren't too many older pairs that pop up in both my waist and inseam (31/33, 31/34) so I figured that this was my chance. Worst case they will fill the 60s repro void in my closet

[blooming]

Nice! My Kyotos are actually 33x32 and fit almost exactly the same as my Resolute 710 33x33 aside from a shorter front and back rise. Those appear to have less wear than my pair did when I bought them, so you'll have fun fading them. 

Edited June 15 by blooming

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Maybe not the best weather for a blanket lined denim jacket but still:

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/l1141085634/

Size 42, Orizzonti era

[blooming]

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/k147072084/

One-wash w/ tags Type-1 Orizzonti-era jacket. Not in the market for any more jackets, but wow.

[AlientoyWorkmachine]

Definite collector's fee in that price. Looks nice, though. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

No Boots, no Life is a professional 2nd hand shop. They have quite a lot of old Denime stuff around (for high prices). 
 

There used to be a pair of Kyotos in W40 being for sale for years. IIRC even with a buy it now option. Last week a bidding war started on them.
Moral of the story: there will always be the right time for the right item

[yung_flynn]

Kyotos arrived today. They’re in even better condition than the photos suggested. They seem to have almost no wear - nice and hairy, very minimal roping and seam puckering, and blueberry in color. The patch still has the batwing too. I just wish that they had an extra inch in the rise. It’s been a bit since I have worn anything less than 11”. 
 

I will grab some fit and detail photos when I get the chance sometime in the next week or so.  
 

[yung_flynn]

Here are the Kyoto fit pics. I don’t really gravitate towards these cuts at the moment, but the pattern on these is really well done. I still wish that the rise was a bit higher. These seem like  Resolute 710 through the legs and 711 in the rise.  Regardless I quite like them and I’ll probably get used to a lower rise again after wearing these for a bit. 

The more that I look at them, the less wear that I think they’ve had. I’d be surprised if they’ve been worn more than 10 times and washed more than 1 or 2 times. I promise to still grab some macro shots of the details and denim when I get some time and the lighting is better. 

[blooming]

Perfect slim fit. Definitely giving the Ivy vibe.

 

 

Been in my 220s for the last couple of days, really rewarding denim once you start wearing it in.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

@yung_flynn those Kyoto look great and a perfect hayashi-san style!
With the colour and everything they are really close to the Resolute 710. I never had a pair of Kyoto (would need a W36 in them) so I didn't know the rise is lower than on Resolute 710. Sp the lower rise combined with the slim fit makes them probably a no go for me. One pair to cross off the "need" list

@blooming The 220A look perfect as well!

 

Some Mercari items:

Shins era 66XX in W34 in quite a good condition:
https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/special/order/confirm/https%3A%2F%2Fjp.mercari.com%2Fitem%2Fm92968816353/13_1/

And a Sins era XX in W30 in perfect one-wash condition, good price
https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/special/order/confirm/https%3A%2F%2Fjp.mercari.com%2Fitem%2Fm33729224263/13_1/

[yung_flynn]

9 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

I never had a pair of Kyoto (would need a W36 in them) so I didn't know the rise is lower than on Resolute 710. Sp the lower rise combined with the slim fit makes them probably a no go for me

To be fair, I measured the front rise of my pair and its about 27 cm out of the box for the size 33 with a 12" thigh at the crotch and 7.75" leg opening and probably stretched another 1 cm after wearing. The rise just feels and looks really low because my legs are very long. Still a pretty low rise by repro standards and lower than my general preference, but the overall pattern makes it work much better on me than other pants that I have tried with comparable rises

[blooming]

The rise is definitely a bit shallower on my size 33 Kyoto vs my 710s in 33. I wouldn't put it into a low rise territory, but that's probably the biggest (and only) area where they different in terms of fit.

[MJF9]

So... after a tip-off from our very own Mr Denime (thank you @beautiful_FrEaK), these 10th Anniversary Orrizonti era in a 1937 style cut landed

Some rough and ready fit pics

First pics are raw; second after a cold machine wash, a 30C machine wash and after wearing today  

I'll post measurements later for those interested.

The rise is definitely lower than I usually go for but they're growing on me.  I'll need to see @Mr Black for a hem soon

[beautiful_FrEaK]

The waist looks less snug than we both feared after seeing the raw measurements! 😅

Very nice and I hope you enjoy some Denime history 😄

[vIGGiou riou]

my 220A involved in IIY4

Edited June 28 by vIGGiou riou

[Mr Black]

On 6/27/2024 at 5:35 PM, MJF9 said:

So... after a tip-off from our very own Mr Denime (thank you @beautiful_FrEaK), these 10th Anniversary Orrizonti era in a 1937 style cut landed

Some rough and ready fit pics

First pics are raw; second after a cold machine wash, a 30C machine wash and after wearing today  

I'll post measurements later for those interested.

The rise is definitely lower than I usually go for but they're growing on me.  I'll need to see @Mr Black for a hem soon

Ooof. Those look lovely.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Something for the warmer weather. These seem to be mis-tagged (hang tag say W34, inside back pocket says W36) but I went by measurements anyway.

[yung_flynn]

12 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

Something for the warmer weather. These seem to be mis-tagged but I went by measurements anyway.

These look really nice. The wide belt loops and fabric especially remind me of Jack Donnelly chinos and vintage 60s era Ivy style ones

[JohnM]

^ not unlike the wide belt loops on the 714 jeans.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

And some fit pics. Quite a high rise and wide leg.

And with t-shirt tucked in

 

I got mine from Mercari but I saw that Naoki also has some old stock of these:

https://pants-shop-avenue.com/item/De178-79506/

[AlientoyWorkmachine]

Great fit IMO 

[reallypeacedoff]

WHat's the process for buying at pants-shop-av? Email and PayPal? They remove the tax and add shipping?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Yes to all questions 

[vIGGiou riou]

my 220 A after 7 months in ...

First 2 pictures are most close to real color.

Edited July 28 by vIGGiou riou

[Alec Leamas]

👀

[beautiful_FrEaK]

The 224 66 (a new denim version) has also been released yesterday or so.
 

[Alec Leamas]

Is that the black denim version you're referring to?

I've seen the black version up on the warehouse site, surprised the 47's didn't go up there first, they're available in a few places online already, e.g Take Off

[beautiful_FrEaK]

No the 224 66 is an indigo version but uses denim where yarns were spun on the "Ishikawadai" ring spun machine
(it's the current buzz word. Oni, SDA and other already mentioned denim made with it. I am sure it has been used several times before but marketing only picked it up now. Just like the G3 loom was communicated as something special some years ago).

[Alec Leamas]

Ohhhhh right okay, I see. Sounds like a lot of unnecessary but very marketable nonsense!

Do you happen to have seen a size chart for these 47's?

Prior to release I was very keen on picking some up but looking at some of these product photos they look slim and tapered

[Alec Leamas]

(rise looks great though!)