Sugar Cane Denim

[HEWSINATOR]

But would you want it any other way CMF?

[mizanation]

CMF, SC is known for historical accuracy on certain models, most notably the '47. on other models, it looks like they like to put their own twist on things... (just realized the pun, oh well...)

[cheapmuthafukr]

But would you want it any other way CMF?

of course not.

[Lars]

Are Levis doing anything about the other japanese brands? Sda and warehouse have much more similar back pocket stitching than SC..

[poly800rock]

Are Levis doing anything about the other japanese brands? Sda and warehouse have much more similar back pocket stitching than SC..

since they are made for sale in the japanese market only(until recently) they couldn't do anything about it, now that they are coming to the states....i hope not.

i saw a brand called bootleggers in americaya in ueno, exact same thing as levis. but they just changed the name to bootleggers.

[Chicken]

Beatle says " Buy em while they still have the arch"

just checked looked into this at the hinoya site:

バックポケットのステッチにつきましては、２００６年８月２３日よりステッチ無しにモデルチェンジされています。

what it's saying is that the 47s have been without the arcuate stitchings beginning August 23, 2006. yes, if you love the arcuates, get them while you can!

[watchman]

Wow, i'm glad i got mine with the arcuate's while i still could. I dont like the lack of back pocket stitching honestly, i think a levis repro should have something on the pocket.

[headtowall]

Man, I really don't need another pair of jeans, but it would almost be criminal to miss out on Canes with the pocket stitching.

[denimdestroyedmylife]

[headtowall]

Rub it in, ddml...

[Ahlvahroe]

wait, is this for all sugarcanes or just the '47s?

[tweeds]

aren't the '47s one of the few canes with a levi's arcuate? the rest are either the circular okinawa/hawaii design or the lazy lee "S"

and that's bad to hear about the loss of the arcuate on the '47. i'd still buy them, but less incentive to now. maybe it's time to stitch my own arcs onto blank pockets,a la ryu.

[felakuti]

55s and 66s have arcuate stitching too. (Probably more models as well).

[tweeds]

whoops, oh right, the MADE IN U.S.A. models?

edit: ah, and the edo-ais as well i forgot about those.

i hope levi's isn't going to make SC take off all the arcs. the edo ais just won't look the same without them

[Chicken]

interesting. none of the levi's repros posted on history preservation has any arcuate stitching no more. that's the 42s, 47s, 55s and 66s.

http://historypreservation.com/hpassociates/sugarcane_2.php

[HEWSINATOR]

But 66s do not have a Red Tab, which I thought was odd. Further the 47s pictured do not have the stitching but do have the tab. Hmmm...

[wilwin]

Just have a questions for any HKers on SuperFuture...

I was just wondering how much Sugar Cane's sell for over there? I believe they can be found at 1001 Originals...

Just would like the heads up for the next time I go over there to make sure I pick up a pair.

[old viking ring]

glad mine have the "golden archs".

[watchman]

has anyone heard an actual, official reason as to why they're getting rid of the artuates? i find it hard to believe that it's a copyright thing since other companies have vastly more similar logos to levis

[poly800rock]

but i don't think the rest of the companies are trying to make a dent in the american market as sugarcane is. like BIG has oni's and studios and samuari's but they are the only stockist of this shit in north america as far as i know. Sugarcane is trying with the help of history preservation to break into the american market it seems

[punyfig]

I stumbled across http://www.sugarcanejeans.co.uk whilst googling for the Japanese Toyo-enterprise site. Searched SF with no hits coming back. Its the site for the UK distributor for Sugarcane jeans apparently.

[Seething Tortoise]

I stumbled across http://www.sugarcanejeans.co.uk whilst googling for the Japanese Toyo-enterprise site. Searched SF with no hits coming back. Its the site for the UK distributor for Sugarcane jeans apparently.

DIdn't expect that at all.

[HEWSINATOR]

Ya, watchman, the way it has been explained to me is that the copyright is not valid in Japan for whatever reason, thus all the companies with very similar branding. However, when you get to be a big enough player at all in NA, or where the copyright is valid (maybe refer to Denime in UK), then Levis radar spins.

[poly800rock]

you're exactly right hewsinator i don't know if any asian countries really care about american copyright

[Kasper]

Ya, watchman, the way it has been explained to me is that the copyright is not valid in Japan for whatever reason, thus all the companies with very similar branding. However, when you get to be a big enough player at all in NA, or where the copyright is valid (maybe refer to Denime in UK), then Levis radar spins.

I think it's more of an issue of attitude toward copyright. in the states, you can copyright pretty much anything and courts are much much more likely to side with the copyright holder than in any other country in the world. The reason Sugar Cane (and other denim makers) can get away with it is that if Levi's would sue them in Japan (or in Europe), they most likely would not win anything, if more than a few cents per jeans (let's face it, you kind of can't confuse a pair of SC with a pair of Levi's). while in the states, Sugar Cane would be in grave danger if being sued...

although it regard patents, the RIM/Blackberry case is very similar. this small bullshit company managed to win 650 millions in the states for a bullshit patent (and something that should not have been patented in the first place anyway). at the same time, courts in Canada, the UK and other countries in Europe wouldn't even want to hear to suit cause they all said there was no ground for it. there's a reason why lawsuits concerning copyrights or patents are always in the states...

[schmallo15]

Just have a questions for any HKers on SuperFuture...

I was just wondering how much Sugar Cane's sell for over there? I believe they can be found at 1001 Originals...

Just would like the heads up for the next time I go over there to make sure I pick up a pair.

Depends. The 47's run about 1280 Hong Kong Dollars. Didn't see any at 1001 Originals but did at Take5. If you hit Taiwan, they'll run you about 5000 NT (New Taiwan Dollar) at Faith (although their stock is really small so everything pretty much has to be ordered).

[watchman]

thanks for the help, i guess the thing about history preservation/etc makes sense, but it's not a new site/service

[punyfig]

In respect of the missing pocket stitching, I received this from Paul at the UK SCs distribution site:

many thanks for your mail. When we became the distributor of Sugar Cane, we decided collectively that Sugar Cane back pocket on the SC41947 looked to similar to that of Levis. To avoid any confusions, Sugar Cane agreed with our request and are re-designing the back pocket detail. in the mean time, until a new design has been agreed by all of us, all of the SC41947 will be available with plain pockets or the stitching removed so consumers can become accustomed to accepting that this style will be changed in the new year as a sudden change over night may be hard to accept. The Jeans speak for themselves and we felt that we do not have to have a pocket design that resembles any other brands. I have seen some of the possible designs put forward and believe what ever is finaly chosen will be unique.

Possibly translates as 'we nearly got our *sses sued', but that's a matter of interpretation.

[Guest jeffvyain]

it's our intellectual properties laws that result in the US being the biggest entertainment country in the world, without contest. those laws are the only thing keeping america leading the economic world.

sucks for jeans. but thank the fuckin lord they're as strict as they are here, or your ideas would be worth shit

[Lars]

Yeah right...