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[beautiful_FrEaK]

I was waiting for this post!

Fit looks good. I also think you could have done a W34 but that's no critique

[MJF9]

Thanks b_F and yeah agreed... I could go about an inch less on the waist (taken flat) so that'd correspond to a 34.  All good and time will tell what happens with wear. 

I always recall Roy's post where he wore three consecutive sizes (or so) in the same style - and they all worked though looked slightly different.  

Edited August 10, 2023 by MJF9

[MJF9]

It'll be a shame to get these hemmed

[mlwdp]

How many inches are you getting hemmed off?

[MJF9]

Expect to take off 5.5 to 6.5 cm mate, so up to about 2.5 inches... subject to measuring up again

[SpriteOdin]

Does every pair of 220a from this run has the 2 tone differences on the front and back panel? Or is it just some pairs?

 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

@MJF9 yeah, is your pair two-tone as well?

 I finally read the article from Begin which states the first XX denim to be a fast fader. So Warehouse probably reproduced that correctly. Maybe the two-tone loom was also a thing with the first XX models. Who knows.

[MJF9]

@beautiful_FrEaK I'll check and report back when I get them back from being hemmed... I didn't notice anything but, then again, I didn't look for it...

[MJF9]

I can't spot the difference in the denim on the front and back of the Lot 220As

Sporting excellent new hem job, with thanks to the very affable @Mr Black at SoaS.  The length was my shout and I should have been more ruthless with going shorter but it's all good

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Interesting! So it wasn't done on purpose, just how they came out of production. Yours already show first signs of wear/fades, wow!
New fit pic?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Hej Lot.221 owners, are your pairs also fading that quickly like the Lot.220?

On another note, I might put my 220 in the dryer next time as I can spare some inseam length  

[pomata]

My 220 have been sitting in my wardrobe for the last 3 months or so. Can’t wait for the temperatures to drop to wear them again 

[blooming]

6 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

Hej Lot.221 owners, are your pairs also fading that quickly like the Lot.220?

On another note, I might put my 220 in the dryer next time as I can spare some inseam length  

They've gotten less wear than my 220, but they do seem to be picking up fades pretty quickly. I've put both my 220 and 221 pairs in the dryer at this point. They barely lost any rigidity and I got the right amount of shrink out of them, especially in the waist.

[MJF9]

Updated fit pics as promised for the Lot 220A  

I haven't worn them in earnest so they haven't settled down yet e.g. unruly hem, dryer side crease

Really good jeans, though - as per previous notes - there is space on the waist and I wonder if one size down would have been better.  Interestingly, they have a similar waist measurement to my FW 1937s... which I like being more relaxed and 'anti-fit'.  I was planning on wearing these on the occasional foray into work - which translates, to me, as more closely fitting.  

Have they sold out in 34s everywhere now?  I couldn't spot anywhere with stock.

@beautiful_FrEaK would be interested in measurements on your well-worn 34s if you have chance.  I'm conscious that losing a bit on the waist, normally means losing a bit on the leg and rises.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Looking good!

Do you want fresh out of the wash measurements? If so, I plan to wash my pair later. 
Burg&Schild still has a full run of the 220. There should be coming a restock soon. The 221 already have been restocked.

[MJF9]

Thanks - with some wear is OK mate - appreciated

[SpriteOdin]

Does the 221 shrink the same amount as the 220a in the waist? Manufacturer notes shrinkage at about 5-6 cm on the waist but I have seen 221 to shrink just 2cm on the waist after a one wash. Will they shrink further towards 5-6cm with subsequent washes?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

@MJF9 

Waist 35", FR 12.5", BR 17.5", Thighs 12.75"

and now they are in the wash.

[MJF9]

Thanks bF. Where are you measuring thigh?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Directly at the crotch with all fabric included. They read smaller than they feel though

[blooming]

3 hours ago, SpriteOdin said:

Does the 221 shrink the same amount as the 220a in the waist? Manufacturer notes shrinkage at about 5-6 cm on the waist but I have seen 221 to shrink just 2cm on the waist after a one wash. Will they shrink further towards 5-6cm with subsequent washes?

I found both my 220 and 221 to take a few washes and some dryer time to get the full 5-6cm shrink They'll get there, eventually.

[SpriteOdin]

49 minutes ago, blooming said:

I found both my 220 and 221 to take a few washes and some dryer time to get the full 5-6cm shrink They'll get there, eventually.

Thanks. Which means I have to size according to the 5-6cm shrinkage.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

But don't neglect the stretch 

[SpriteOdin]

3 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

But don't neglect the stretch 

Will that be around 1inch?

[blooming]

4 hours ago, SpriteOdin said:

Thanks. Which means I have to size according to the 5-6cm shrinkage.

Yep! But as @beautiful_FrEaK also noted, they will probably stretch a bit in the waist between washes. Depending on the fit, could be up to an inch. I went up one size from my true waist, so mine don't stretch much. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

7 hours ago, SpriteOdin said:

Will that be around 1inch?

Depending how snug they fit, they could even stretch back to their raw measurement.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Fresh out the wash

Edited August 31, 2023 by beautiful_FrEaK

[bod]

@beautiful_FrEaK are you using an iPhone 13 or 14? your pics have got that white halo from over-sharpening along the right hand side of your jeans

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Now that you say it, I see it. It's a Samsung S23

[bloom]

^those look great, and way older than they are (you started on them just a few months back, right?).

 

^^^fit is very good, MJF9, I reckon those will break in perfectly.

 

has anyone come to terms with their own pair enough to comment on sizing compared to, say, WH1001X, or SC1966? Or Resolute 714, for that matter. Want to try a pair, but can’t make sense of the sizing charts (way varied, and reported shrinkage also seems to vary a lot).

 

also, thoughts on choosing the 221 vs the 220? Leaning towards the 221, as the 220 seems closer to what I’ve already got going. Main criteria though, is to get as quickly as possible to something similar to those soft 501s of my childhood. Or to something out of Two lane blacktop, which probably amounts to the same thing.