Denime

[Double 0 Soul]

Don’t tell the guy who just spent £16mill on a Pokémon card..

[ATWM]

7 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

The problem I see: will someone in 20 years still care about this stuff and know about these by then probably defunct brands?! So will there be a demand at all?

Not to get too philosophical but this is the thing for me, which is why I try to always keep my drive for collection and acquisitions in check. You can’t take it with you, you know?

We’re all just only borrowing things.

I struggle with borrowing more than my fair share - I already do - at this moment I am (yet again) trying to unload some denim and some camera equipment because it can do better elsewhere.

All I can do now is live long and well enough to hopefully wear it all out that I keep. I’m 42 - so with something like 8-10 raw pairs and another just as many with good life in them but in storage, that should get me til my mid to late 60’s or even my 70’s (!!!) depending on lifestyle if I can keep in shape (probably a big ask). And if I don’t wear it, it’s not like photobooks or records in terms of pulling it out and appreciating it. I mean, you can do this with jeans, but you’re just looking at unrealized potential, mostly. 

[reallypeacedoff]

I was thinking the same thing the other day @ATWM. If you have 10 pairs of jeans and theoretically—two years of wear gets you really decent fades before you need millions of repairs—then you have 20 years' worth of denim. Who knows what shape I'll be by then? Definitely keeps my denim wants in check.

[Double 0 Soul]

This is all logical.. but guys, this is sufu.. a place in the galaxy where logic doesn't exist.. over the last (almost) 20yrs of knowing b_F.. i've seen his denim collection take more forks than a canteen of cutlery and it probably will do again..  i can say with some degree of certainty that b_F isnt going to wear the current collection (to rags) into his 60s / 70s ..

He doesn't even need to pull it out (easy maynard) to appreciate it.. he's built a denim shrine! 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

The shocking truth: this is partially true!
I have the deadstock Orrizonti-era 66XX and the deadstock 15th Anniversary and the longer I have them in my possession, the less likely it feels to actually wear them. Which is a shame of course. For this I'm grateful my Denime WW2 (as an example) already came washed and all, so they were less precious and I wear them.

But from all of my jeans, only the 2 deadstock pairs have this status. All other jeans have been or will certainly be worn. If my body allows of course.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

20 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

..also, keep an eye on them, there is an old SC Hinoya special anniversary war model listed.. it was ¥99k last week.. this week they’re ¥75k

They’re just testing the waters sometimes..

I hope you are right. Was it the same seller/shop (nopposan aka North Denim)? For half the price I would take them.

But then there is also that one seller that has the same pair of deadstock Denime 10th anniversary listed for 120,000 Yen. And that's his price for roughly the last 12 years.

[Double 0 Soul]

Yep..

https://zenmarket.jp/en/auction.aspx?itemCode=r1219188221

They're (i think) 3 day auctions.. the auction ends with no bids, it gets relisted with a price drop.. they're currently ¥55k.. half the price of the og listing.

JP auctions can be weird though.. some folks go in the opposite direction when their goods fail to sell.. there is a NOS SC banner listed on Mercari, it was listed over Christmas for ¥25k .. (the last NOS banner sold for ¥25k) .. it didn't sell so they put the price up to ¥30k .. still didn't sell.

It's currently ¥98k ????..  

..also a lot of sellers are open to a price negotiation, obviously via fJ.. (if they're not.. they say so, North are dealers so i would expect so)  i've never tried it.. i'm too shy to barter even through an intermediary 

 

Edited February 19 by Double 0 Soul

[beautiful_FrEaK]

I used FJ several times to negotiate prices. And somtimes it works. I can't imagine a 50% drop would work though in this case  At least not now

[Double 0 Soul]

Bravo! 

Holidaying around Europe as a kid with my parents.. my dad loved bartering with the locals.. he's come away with a Turkish rug, leather sandals, leather handbag for my mum.. i'd be dying from embarrassment.. i'd rather pay +10,000 Lira over the asking price just so i didn't have to enter into negotiations 

[Double 0 Soul]

I've just double checked.. they're 2 day auctions (not 3) and the Denime are listed using the same format so with a bit of luck, a price drop could be forthcoming.. it could even be an automated price drop.. if not, you'd just list them for 7 days wouldn't you?

edit- whoops, sorry i was looking at 'current time' 

Edited February 19 by Double 0 Soul

[beautiful_FrEaK]

33 minutes ago, Double 0 Soul said:

I've just double checked.. they're 2 day auctions (not 3) and the Denime are listed using the same format so with a bit of luck, a price drop could be forthcoming.. it could even be an automated price drop.. if not, you'd just list them for 7 days wouldn't you?

edit- whoops, sorry i was looking at 'current time' 

I saved them and will monitor it. Maybe I'm lucky...macbe I'm not.

[Double 0 Soul]

Yep.. that’s what’s happening..

The jeans are listed for 2days.. then they renew with a price drop

It’s like buying and selling gold! .. hang in as long as the nerves can take it.. 

https://zenmarket.jp/auction.aspx?itemCode=r1184719576

10mins ago^

Edited February 19 by Double 0 Soul

[beautiful_FrEaK]

What kind of sick mind would do this?!

https://jp.mercari.com/item/m46907998805

 

And here a nicely faded pair of vintage DENIME WW2
https://ameblo.jp/hasetaka26/entry-12525969433.html

[PBTony]

The fade on these 221s big E are lovely. Don't think I'd pay the same price you can get new though

 

https://ebay.us/m/YjPGFH

Edit 

Looks like they've sold 😅 which one of you was it? 

Edited February 20 by PrettyBoyTony

[NilsLW]

Wow makes me want to get a pair!

[beautiful_FrEaK]

They are haunting me!

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/b1220638510/

For that price, I would buy directly (if possible) but these are just too small.

[bod]

🤐

Edited February 23 by bod

[beautiful_FrEaK]

57 minutes ago, bod said:

@beautiful_FrEaK 

I know that one, posted it earlier and removed the link as I wait for it to become cheaper

[Broark]

Three part series on the development of the "banner denim for Denime" by the Warehouse team, featuring weaving / cotton sourcing info from Kurabo.
Part 1, part 2, part 3.
Nothing particularly groundbreaking, just figured I'd share.

[Double 0 Soul]

Nice one @bod you big blabbermouth ! 

[bod]

ooops 🫢

[beautiful_FrEaK]

All this Denime talk made me wear my Shins 66XX 

[PBTony]

17 minutes ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

All this Denime talk made me wear my Shins 66XX 

That's a nice colour sweat!

[beautiful_FrEaK]

It's from Arket. Not quite matching the shoes though..  

[indigoeagle]

1 hour ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

It's from Arket. Not quite matching the shoes though..  

On the pic it looks pretty close.
Looks good

[fhygom]

I’ve bought the 221 big E in size 36. I am 36 in sugar and other brands, so thought this would be the right size. After two soaks in my tub, 2nd one in quite hot water (no soap), they still haven’t shrunk as much as I’d like. I could use another 2-3 cm in the waist. 

What is the next step? Throw them in the washer on 40c ? Or even 60c? Use a little soap?
 

I unfortunately have bad experience with the washer as I put my sugar cane 47 in the washer and they came out with a lot of creases (spin at 600. Thought that was low). Should I turn spin off entirely?

[UkeNo]

6 hours ago, fhygom said:

I’ve bought the 221 big E in size 36. I am 36 in sugar and other brands, so thought this would be the right size. After two soaks in my tub, 2nd one in quite hot water (no soap), they still haven’t shrunk as much as I’d like. I could use another 2-3 cm in the waist. 

What is the next step? Throw them in the washer on 40c ? Or even 60c? Use a little soap?
 

I unfortunately have bad experience with the washer as I put my sugar cane 47 in the washer and they came out with a lot of creases (spin at 600. Thought that was low). Should I turn spin off entirely?

Low temp and low spin.
Always turn the jeans inside out, this is the reason for marbling. 

[ATWM]

I'm a firm believer by now that max shrinkage is not achieved without a lot of agitation, even in quite hot water. Hand agitation in a hot soak can help a lot if you want to skip the machine.  

Otherwise in general you'll see shrinkage all over for even 4-6 washes if you're doing the whole cold/medium wash no spin hang dry thing - at least in my experience. It's never much an issue with waist because depending on sizing it will stretch out, but the inseam will continue to get a little shorter, the legs a little slimmer.

The spin cycle is just whipping the water out of the clothes so you can skip that, my washer has no option for that so I just turn it off and hang dry after the rinse for the first few washes on a pair (if I care about marbling, sometimes I don't) but after a few washes marbling isn't much of an issue so I don't sweat it. 

[Ciabatta]

About a month into wearing the 220xx-s now. I was at an Airbnb the other day that had a full length mirror so I took a quick pic. These fit a little more trim than I was hoping for but they fit me really well. Lots of room in the thighs and waist. 

[nick682]

3 hours ago, Ciabatta said:

About a month into wearing the 220xx-s now. I was at an Airbnb the other day that had a full length mirror so I took a quick pic. These fit a little more trim than I was hoping for but they fit me really well. Lots of room in the thighs and waist. 

Do you have any other Denime jeans? I'm not sure if I should get the same size as my other Denime pairs or size down 1. I'm really hoping I can come across a size 31 or 32 with a 30 inseam. Seems like they're sold out everywhere in a 30 length though.