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Just thinking out loud here...Since we're going RS1950 I might switch up to a 1947 pair instead of WWII. Decisions, decisions! I'll also likely resume my typical washing routine given the 18 month timeline (3 months no wash, regular washing after that but no dryer this time around) instead of my last few pairs which I've been holding off on washes for, a la APC mid 2000's 😂 Sizing up to W39 and will probably get them hemmed real short like 24" inseam to float nice and high without cuffing

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Adding the measurements so we can estimate the shrinkage... Pre-wash 1st wash 2nd wash ~shrinkage w/ wear Waist: 36” 33” 33.5" 2.5" Front rise: 12.5” 11.5” 11.5" 1" Back rise: 17” 15.5” 15.5" 1.5" Thighs: 13.5” 12.5” 13" 0.5" Knee: 10.25” 9.25” 9.5" 0.75" Leg opening: 9.25” 8.75” 8.75" 0.5" Inseam: 34” 31” 30.75" 3.25"

My first measurements might have been shit or the denim stabilised after stretching. Both washes at 30°C in the machine with a "jeans wash programme". Line dried. The denim has a more prominent red cast now, small veins and the puckering is...superb 2nd Wash Waist: 33.5" Front rise: 11.5" Back rise: 15.5" Thighs: 13" Knee: 9.5" Leg opening: 8.75" Inseam: 30.75"

12 washes in @ 8 months...

8 months in...12 washes, 1 soak.

Update tomorrow! And prepare for some killer roping in the contest!

Interesting question @bartlebyyphonics - thanks for this... Ooe x Bandanna Almanac v FW 'double' leg Both 10oz, both dungaree denim though sure they will age differently Fit-wise... FW is more voluminous and is heavier simply by virtue of more fabric (750g Ooe v 900g FW, weighed them!) Ooe more fitted in the hip / top block and straight leg, akin to stovepipe. But still plenty of space. FW are wider in hip by c5cm Both have same FR (35cm) but FW have much bigger BR by c7cm (a whopping 52cm for FW v a sizeable 45cm Ooe) In terms of the legs... Ooe 'double' leg starts at the pocket. In fact, at the large 'coin' pocket there are 3 layers of denim (see pic). Notably though, they don't feel 3 layers worth of heaviness. Ooe 'double' leg ends at the row of stitching above the hem and, interestingly, at that row of stitching only part of it is stitched to the denim underneath (see pic) FW 'double' leg starts at the thigh but runs all the way down to, and including, the hem The back of the jeans both have a cinch but have differences e.g. Ooe single pocket, FW double plus. Let me know if anyone wants more info and photos and I can post that in an appropriate thread.

Limit of participants: 25 Duration of the contest: 18 months Prize: 3rd and 4th classifies 40% discount on a new order 2nd a free pair of jeans 1st a free WWII Type-1 Jkt. Each participant can chose the cut/model Available cuts: 311 (slim straight): a 60s cut if you so will. All orange stitching. Hidden rivets can be added if you want 411 (40s cut): late 40s (clean fly but raw crotch, seams color as desired) or WWII (raw fly, raw crotch, hbt pocket, more wonkyness, all yellow seams, no coin rivets) 5150 (kinda 50s cut, tribute to Eddie van Halen): all orange stitching 611 or S411 (same model): buckle back/reversed yoke construction, hidden rivets, crotch rivets, mixed orange yellow stitches, Yellow/black chain on the inside belt. If desired i could add a ‘42ish version with no buckle back, same fit, crotch rivets seams color as desired, standard yoke construction. Please refer to the size charts. Update: odd sizes can be made! A custom leather patch is possible. Pizza shaped arcs is a no no Choices of denim. The Poll is OPEN! 1. RS1950-ROW Cotton origin: USA Mill: Shinya Loom: Ensyu (Enshu) Rope dyed Yarn count: 7.1 x 7.1 Density: 62 x 46 Weight: approx 12oz loomstate 2. RS501-UF Cotton origin: USA & Australia Mill: Kaihara Loom: Toyoda Rope dyed Yarn count: 7.1 x 7.1 Density: 67 x 48 Weight: approx 12oz loomstate Denim No.1 is the denim used on my sample pair. It's rather new to Simone. Denim No.2 is Simone's "standard" denim where he has the most experience with. Comparison between RS1950 (left) and RS501 (right): His own pair made with RS501 was worn for 10 months and washed approx every 2 weeks: Price: Simone offers the jeans for a lower price of 280€ + shipping! Payment will be 50% on order, rest when the jeans are finished. This will allow him to book the denim (before production) and to offer also embossed labeled buttons for all models except WWII version.

My two penneth on the vintage style sweatshirt game is that the Cushman lot 26903 cannot be beaten. Providing they don't change the materials or pattern, I'm set for life for sweaters, I've no need to go anywhere else!

Pre-wash 1st wash 2nd wash ~shrinkage Waist: 36” 33” 33.5" 2.5" Front rise: 12.5” 11.5” 11.5" 1" Back rise: 17” 15.5” 15.5" 1.5" Thighs: 13.5” 12.5” 13" 0.5" Knee: 10.25” 9.25” 9.5" 0.75" Leg opening: 9.25” 8.75” 8.75" 0.5" Inseam: 34” 31” 30.75" 3.25"

Real special thing, those Ooe's...FW's real nice as well of course, but that Ooe stitching and details really gets me going! Sad I missed out on that pair, though I'm happy to own the Mechanics Overalls

Silverstones. These were a wide cut when they were originally jeans but they draped weird without any cuff length so l chopped them. Not sure if the thread is cotton, poly or a mix of(?) but it looks cool faded. My phone won't do the denim any justice but the detail pics show the true colour more. The red tab just has a woven S on it inside a circle in white, reminiscent of the R only tab that was introduced in the mid 50's. Obviously l've customised the original back pocket design to fit in with my more favoured aesthetic 😉

Thanks very much, that's perfect. We have similar taste in shoes!

@willi sorry, that’s a good question and I should have been clearer. I take a US8.5 in Red Wing Blacksmiths, a US8.5 in John Lofgren M43’s and a US8.5 in Alden’s Van last. Honestly no idea what my Brannock size would be. The leather is absolutely delightful! A real rich shade, lovely and soft too.

@PrettyBoyTony sounds like you need to contact our resident belt-maker to the stars @Duke Mantee!!!

got to visit a local nursery legend today. Jerry is a bit of a godfather when it comes to carnivorous plants specifically Sarracenia/pitcher plants. It was amazing to see all of his greenhouses and hybrids he’s made.

This being the case, the 34s will easily stretch to be big enough round the waist within a couple of days at most.

It seems it will be the RS1950 denim. I will wash my pair in the next days again to show more of it's shrink potential. And, could everyone who is really interested DM me? Then I will start a list. If you are already sure which cut, I can add this as well.

@NilsLW are you speaking about the old Buzz sweatshirts or the newer style (which have probably been around for 10 years now!). My experience is that the older style were shorter, boxier and smaller all round for that vintage style fit but in reality, sizing up is advisable. I had 2 in size M but sold them as they were a bit too small. The fabric seemed good though iirc. I’ve had the newer style in olive in size L for about 10 years and it seems loose and shapeless, I should’ve sized down to a M. The neck v-insert is sewn on to the fabric rather than a separate piece inserted into the space and the fabric seems a bit thin and stretchy. I wouldn’t recommend them at all and I sold a red one I had. I have a number of Deluxeware sweats, which are far superior in fabric and fit and unless these were to change, I wouldn’t buy anything else.

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Thanks a lot!!!

That was quick, Naoki ships lightning fast! Pants Avenue rules. Eternal 811 in size 36 (pre-soak but no intention of soaking just yet) Waist 37.00 F Rise 12.25 R Rise17.00 Thigh 13,75 Knee 9.75 LO 9.00 Inseam 37.00 Forgot how good Eternal denim is. Very TFH 3XXX-esque.