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Here is the Flat Head Balder that I got from ebay in size 27 

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The ebay ad said they were worn and soaked, but not washed.  They don't have body creases so I'm guessing what happened is the previous owner shrank them and then thought they shrank too much.

Measurements look like they really *should* be perfect for me in theory...

  • front size: 8"
  • back rise: 12"
  • thigh measured BIG style right at the crotch: 11"
  • waistband: 30.5"

and the upper butt flatness makes me feel very hopeful:)  these are flat like a tabletop from the upper butt to rear waistband.

I also don't have this leg shape yet which is like a slim straight leg (I have a wider straight leg but the wider leg hides high heels and this wouldn't)

Back pockets look like they would be very flattering for me (vertical back pockets that are closer to the back seam than the side seam)

So that all sounds great for me in theory ..... in practice they are sitting about 2" too low on me.  The jeans thigh starts to get narrower pretty fast as I move the measuring tape farther away from the crotch.  My own thigh shape is still wide for another couple of inches before it starts to narrow down. And I am not sure but it feels like the roughness/stiffness of the fabric is also preventing me from pulling them up all the way.  The waist is nowhere close to buttoning since they sit too low and my body shape goes very quickly from narrow to wide near the place where a belt would sit.

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I feel hopeful about these so I am going to keep them and just see how much they stretch. I'll take a nap in them or something and see how far I get.  If it doesn't work, worst case scenario is I could sell them on ebay and then find a size 28 to try.  Or maybe a brand-new size 27 that I could soak and shrink while I'm wearing it.

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Good luck - seems like you got your work cut out for you...

(I guess we all have been there, or close to it.)

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1 hour ago, Foxy2 said:

Good luck - seems like you got your work cut out for you...

(I guess we all have been there, or close to it.)

I think I lucked out...these seem to be stretching already.  I think I still need a nap in them but it looks like it will definitely work. :D

Just wearing them around the house this afternoon (nothing strenuous)...now they are sitting a little higher already...I still need them to sit about 1" higher but after I nap in them I think they will :) I used a waistband extender that I got from amazon so the waist can start stretching too while I stretch the thighs.  Can't zip them just yet but I think I will be able to in a few days.  i am excited about these :)  

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Flat Head Balder size 27 stretched enough that I could pull them all the way up and button and zip them without the waistband extender ;) they just needed a little nap.

ugh I love these so much.  I can't imagine a more perfect fit for me.  there's a tiny bit of muffin top but I think it will go away when they are totally finished stretching.  

I think I will be wearing these daily all summer ...and in the fall/winter too if I can find some good ankle boots for them.

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They look great - it's such great denim, I'm glad they worked out for you! Do they have a selvedge outseam? I've had two pairs and one did and one didn't. I couldn't figure out why - one came from Self Edge originally (no selvedge) and the other I think came from Japan (via Rakuten I think). So I assumed they're just different 'versions'. 

I have a size 28 that have shrunk quite a bit, so no good for me in the thighs, but it looks like you definitely don't need them! Like you, on paper the measurements looked good - but in reality they weren't anywhere big enough in the legs! They got really slim really quick in the thighs. Never mind!

To contribute - my favourite denim at the moment, Momotaro GL-005s. Nice high rise, fairly tapered and amazing blue green denim. Nice denim, crappy pic :( I got these after my other pair of low rise ones got too small and I was after a higher rise. I think they're my most favourite denim ever.

 

 

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3 hours ago, blaewen_blue said:

They look great - it's such great denim, I'm glad they worked out for you! Do they have a selvedge outseam? I've had two pairs and one did and one didn't. I couldn't figure out why - one came from Self Edge originally (no selvedge) and the other I think came from Japan (via Rakuten I think). So I assumed they're just different 'versions'. 

I have a size 28 that have shrunk quite a bit, so no good for me in the thighs, but it looks like you definitely don't need them! Like you, on paper the measurements looked good - but in reality they weren't anywhere big enough in the legs! They got really slim really quick in the thighs. Never mind!

To contribute - my favourite denim at the moment, Momotaro GL-005s. Nice high rise, fairly tapered and amazing blue green denim. Nice denim, crappy pic :( I got these after my other pair of low rise ones got too small and I was after a higher rise. I think they're my most favourite denim ever.

 

 

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Yours look great! :) 

Mine do have the selvedge but I will probably never see it; I think they have been hemmed by the previous owner and a cuff might make mine feel too short.

These size 27 balders are such a struggle to button every time... I am hoping they will continue to stretch just a *little* bit more over the next few weeks... if they do then they will be so perfect, if not then I might come back to you wanting that size 28. :)  I can't button mine when I'm standing yet, only when I'm lying flat...and today I needed to wear them with the waistband extender for an hour before I could button them without it.  But if they stretch just a little more, then they will be just right.

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Frye madeline short boots with Flat Head Balder ... does this combination work? and does it look like the right hem length?  Not too short?

I feel like this hem length would definitely work with flats or a low heel but it would be nice if it works with a higher heel too.  I tried them with high heel pumps last night, but felt like that was a big "nope" because the jeans weren't breaking at all over my foot. But the boots are thicker, so the jeans do break a little bit at least, maybe it works?

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I like it! :)

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I think that length looks great with those boots. Like you say you have a bit of breaking, so they definitely don't look too short. Great combo!

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I am bummed because I got the waist taken in on my Baldwin Ten size 25 (the ones whose legs fit just right but the waist was too big) - the end result feels much more comfortable but so visually wrong :(  The "center" back seam is now an "off-center" back seam.  Measurements confirm it is actually off-center and not just in my head.  Sigh. That's 0 for 2 now, trying to improve jeans by getting the waist taken in; both times I felt like the alteration made the jeans even worse than they were before.

I guess I shouldn't worry though because it gives me more reasons to wear my Flat Head balder jeans daily without fail (those are starting to break in very nicely and I can now button them while standing; also walking in them no longer feels like a resistance exercise for my TFLs)

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Did you have your jeans taken in by a denim specialist or a tailor?

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18 hours ago, ColonelAngus said:

Did you have your jeans taken in by a denim specialist or a tailor?

a denim specialist ... I guess we have step 1 figured out because they are sending me a return shipping label so they can take a look and figure out what happened.  I don't know what to do if it's not fixable though.

in case anyone is curious here are pictures ... if I line up the center back seam with one of the lines on my floor, then the problem is visible... the right side of the waistband covers 3 full floor boards, but the left side does not

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to rule out the possibility of "what if the jeans were folded in a weird place for that picture of the back," I turned them over with the waistband folds in the same place and took a picture from the front

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so the front looks totally normal to me.  but the back has the center back seam too far to the wearer's left (about 0.8" too far)

likewise when I'm wearing them, the front looks symmetrical, but the back looks like the back seam and both back pockets are sitting about 1 inch too far to the left (because they are stretchy the difference is a little more).  I sent a picture of that to the denim specialist who did the alteration.

 

 

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I think in the future I'm going to stick to buying jeans that are already perfect in the thighs and upper block :) like lower leg taper and hemming only.  I could even picture a thigh taper going badly for me if I miscalculate 0.1" because I like my jeans to sit so tight :P

my very first attempt to get a downsizing service about a year ago went badly too (railcar vixen), but that one was clearly my fault ...I started out with the wrong size because I had no idea how much they would stretch, then I miscalculated whether or not downsizing could help, and also I didn't know yet that loose thighs + higher rise + taking in the waist = jeans will sit several inches higher on me .... so the back pockets were way too high afterwards... that attempt was symmetrical but totally unwearable because it looked like mom butt with the pockets too high. I ended up donating those to a thrift store and just thinking of it as an expensive learning mistake.

 

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Bummer. Surprised to hear a denim specialist messed up your jeans. Hope your diemma gets worked out

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19 minutes ago, ColonelAngus said:

Bummer. Surprised to hear a denim specialist messed up your jeans. Hope your diemma gets worked out

me too i really wanted to have a truly tight skinny pair of jeans and this one seemed like they could be perfect for it if I could just get the waistband tighter :(  now they are unweaeable....basically just cat bedding :(

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I had the same thing happen to me - I have a pair of the 77bsp  3sixteens that stretched a tonne in the waist. So I had a tailor take 3" out of the waist, and now the pockets are different distances from the centre seam! I sometimes wear them around the house, but that's it. They weren't my favourites so I wasn't too upset - more of a lessons learned type thing.

I agree with you, a new pair has to be pretty perfect in the thighs/top block for me to bite these days! 

Glad to hear your Balders are working out! It can be a pain to get the fit right but it's so good when you get a pair you love. 

 

 

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16 hours ago, blaewen_blue said:

I had the same thing happen to me - I have a pair of the 77bsp  3sixteens that stretched a tonne in the waist. So I had a tailor take 3" out of the waist, and now the pockets are different distances from the centre seam! I sometimes wear them around the house, but that's it. They weren't my favourites so I wasn't too upset - more of a lessons learned type thing.

I agree with you, a new pair has to be pretty perfect in the thighs/top block for me to bite these days! 

Glad to hear your Balders are working out! It can be a pain to get the fit right but it's so good when you get a pair you love. 

 

 

that stinks...back pockets can really make or break it I think :)  off center or unsymmetrical or too far apart or too big or too small or too high or too low...noooooo, any of those are so wrong :) 

the Balders are my favorite jeans now, starting to fade a little bit and they broke in enough to be comfortable... if I am 100% honest though, the lower back muffin top didn't go away yet even though they are stretching out nicely.  I decided to try to fix the lower back muffin top with exercise first if I can though.  :)

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Just in case anyone is curious how much the flat head balder size 27 stretched out ... a lot in the waist and back rise; a little in the thighs; none in the front rise:

  • waistband: was 30.5" - now 32"
  • back rise: was 12" - now 13"
  • front rize: was 8" - now 8"
  • thigh measured BIG style right at the crotch: was 11" - now 11.25" 

the lower back muffin top did not go away completely when the back rise stretched.  It's not the jeans; the belt is sitting right on bones in the perfect spot where my belt always wants to sit even if the rise is higher; I just feel too fluffy in general.  I am trying to lose 3 or 4 pounds of fat.  these have a lot of favorite-jeans potential for me if I can fix what's left of the muffin top.  :)

Subtle fades are appearing fast but I'll wait until they have more wear before I start taking fade pictures.

please please do not allow me to talk myself into buying a new pair of skinny stretch jeans yet to replace my Baldwin Ten size 25 ...lol... I keep repeating to myself "Flat Head balder will fade faster if I have fewer jeans in rotation" :) 

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"fixing muffin top with exercise" lol what did I get myself into? :)  I have lost 2 pounds already in the past 3 weeks but the jeans are getting harder to fit into instead of easier....feels like my legs are suddenly bigger for 24 hours after I do any lower body exercise.  So there are days when I can't even pull them all the way up my thighs.  still chipping away at it though because if I can lose a few pounds then inevitably some of it will come off my thighs and some will come off my lower back and then they would be so perfect.  I'd like to be lean enough to fit into them even right after squats.

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need input y'all 

After swimming in the ocean, I put on my Baldwin Ten size 27 while my bathing suit was still wet.  And now they smell like ass and a steaming pile of rotting fish in a New York City subway.  They have only subtle fades....I was hoping to wear them longer before I wash the first time.  Some whiskering is visible and some fades on the seams but that is about it.  Should I....

1) wash them asap

2) freeze them and hope it gets better

3) do nothing and hope it gets better

4) wear them swimming in the ocean and roll around in the sand and then wash them for real in the bathtub

 

option 4 is only possible if I do it before Friday so that they have time to dry before I head back home (I don't live near the beach, just visiting)

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the deed is done...they are washed...I hope "tide free and clear pods" don't contain bleach because that's what I had to wash them with. :)

I put them outside to dry...hopefully the landlord doesn't mind if some of those shells turn blue :P

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 i have treated myself to this pair of samurai geisha size 2 straight leg.  (I had the wide boot cut samurai geisha already but not the straight leg.)

 I know I buy too many jeans, but ugghghh I love them so much. feeling like they look just fine.  :) good whether I lose weight or not.  i haven't given up on the idea of losing a few to make the flat head balders work better for me but in the meantime I really wanted these. 20170731_174501.thumb.jpg.1f51698e586e7c73691252d95e137d92.jpg

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There's no such thing as too many jeans :) (says the guy with 13-14 pairs)

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thanks I am glad they look good, I think I have 7 pairs of jeans at this point (several of them are the same brand/style just in multiple sizes).  It's starting to feel excessive but maybe it's fine lol

I really wanted something that could work with those black high heel pumps without completely hiding the shoe... my other samurai geisha and momotaros are the right length but they completely hide the shoe.  my pickiness is satisfied ... for now :) 

 

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I ended up throwing my Baldwin Ten size 27 into a 2nd wash with warm water at the laundromat - because that first wash just wasn't thorough enough to get all of the ocean smell out.  They smell great now.  My 6 month fades became a little more visible in that wash but still subtle.   I am actually happy with how this turned out.  Subtle isn't bad for these jeans. I want to try to get some higher contrast fades with my samurai jeans ... just making a mental note to never allow those to touch ocean water :P

bonus: they shrank a bit, which removes my temptation to buy a smaller pair of skinny jeans ...now they fit perfectly :) 

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Here is an old Railcar Vixen X021 from a customer who sent these in for repair in the crotch, love when old Railcars come in especially womens.

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The Donna High Waist is back at Railcar Fine Goods. Steven updated the old Donna pattern and I must say, the fit is amazing! I am on the left, I am wearing the first prototype, its about a month old with two washes. This stretch raw fabric is beautiful the indigos get darker and pop more after a soak. Jess @aegishandcraft on ig came to visit us this week and she is wearing the final piece on the right. So if anyone is looking for a super comfy stretch raw skinny, I'd recommend this!

 

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Size Waistband Front rise Back rise Thigh @ crotch Thigh @ 2 in below crotch Hip Knee Bottom opening Inseam length
24 12.5 11 12.5 9 8.25 15.75 6 5 30
25 12.75 11 12.5 9.25 8.5 16.25 6.25 5 30.75
26 13 11 12.5 9.75 9 17.25 6.75 5.25 31.25
27 14 12 13.5 10.25 9.5 17.5 6.75 5.25 31.25
28 15 12 13.75 10.75 10 18.5 7 5.25 31.25
29 16 12 13.75 11 10.25 18.75 7.25 5.5 31.25
30 17 12 14 11.5 10.5 19.5 7.5 5.5 31.5
31 18 12 14 12 11 21 8 5.5 31.5

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these are my Baldwin Ten size 27 after maybe 1 year of wear and 4 washes

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these are my Samurai Geisha straight leg jeans size 2 which I haven't worn much yet at all, but I pulled them out of the closet...I want to start wearing them a lot more often and see what they turn into :)

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