Preface I’m 5’7” 135 / wear a small
So, I've wanted a pair of dry skin cropped pants for summer and this checked the boxes. Was never quite able to track down 17ds' so this was the next best thing. These are a more straight cut, wider version of the 17s instead of tapered as someone else had pointed out. I feel like they’re a bit shorter, fall mid shin instead of at the ankle.
Belt system feels sturdier than my older p23ts ch’s. No buckle system implemented like the 25s etc. These have been global updates on all new pants, but the belt loop (namely the first one where the closure is) is now properly wide to accommodate thicker buckles. Both the outer and inner phone pockets now can easily fit a + sized iphone width wise, but will stick out the top a bit.
They’re flow-y, super comfy and breezy exactly what I was looking for. The range of motion you get is akin to wearing a pair of shorts so you can bend and sit without restriction. I prefer DS on flow-y type pants over a stiffer/ less stretch stotz especially for hotter months.
Other than that they're a no frill pant, deep front pockets, 2 back pockets and that’s really it. Standard long drop crotch without the diaper bunching. Can’t comment on ds weight vs other pants but feels decently thick prob same as 23ads etc.
I’ll try and get a side by side with some p17s another time.