Denime

[Thanks_M8]

Only thing stopping me are my dry rotted white orrizzontis I got from PSA a few years ago  

[zachary12]

shame yeah, that inseam would be jorts on me

[blooming]

While scrolling through those, I found a pair of unwashed/unworn Orizzonti XX's. https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/special/order/confirm/https%3A%2F%2Fjp.mercari.com%2Fitem%2Fm18933914565/13_1/

 

I think these would be a size too small on me since the waist is the appropriate size in its unwashed state.

[AlientoyWorkmachine]

Ooh I am tempted. Raw size is nice  for me. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Since they are listed as sold now, who bought them?

 

Edit: oh and to add, those are not the standard XX, they are the XX Type2. From what I know the cut is a bit slimmer and the denim could be different. They are "easy" to spot as the back belt loop is not slanted but offset and the leather patch looks different. And of course the seller wrote Type2  

[blooming]

I broke down and ordered those. Interesting @beautiful_FrEaK, I noticed the Type 2 designation as well, was going to look into that but thankfully we have you bF 🤣

[beautiful_FrEaK]

1 hour ago, blooming said:

I broke down and ordered those. Interesting @beautiful_FrEaK, I noticed the Type 2 designation as well, was going to look into that but thankfully we have you bF 🤣

THis auction has a better description of the Type2:

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/1029784873/

[beautiful_FrEaK]

15 hours ago, Thanks_M8 said:

Only thing stopping me are my dry rotted white orrizzontis I got from PSA a few years ago  

Well all my Orizzonti items I picked up are just fine

[AlientoyWorkmachine]

6 hours ago, blooming said:

I broke down and ordered those. Interesting @beautiful_FrEaK, I noticed the Type 2 designation as well, was going to look into that but thankfully we have you bF 🤣

Glad to see I spurred you on haha. 

[blooming]

@AlientoyWorkmachine we shall see how they fit! They run the risk of being slightly small in the waist, so if they don't work for me in the raw state, I'll let you know.

[blooming]

12 hours ago, beautiful_FrEaK said:

THis auction has a better description of the Type2:

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/1029784873/

Nice, thank you! I'm thinking these may have a similar overall shape to the newer FC 1108, and if so, they will be great.

[obama]

Interesting to learn about the type two.  The 22cm hem doesn’t look significantly slim for W30 as described. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

The Type2 has a slimmer top block. The XX is known for hip flare, the XX Type2 is slimmer up there.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Denime-nerding part One.

Comparison of the coin pockets of Denime XX pairs.

I.: Orizzonti era, probably early 90s. W34

II.: Shins era, hard to date so 2005-09. W34

III.: Original Line (Wego), 2019/20. W36

IV.: Made by Warehouse, 2023. W34

 

Orizzonti 

 

Shins

 

Original Line 

 

Made by Warehouse 

 

 

Orizzonti and Original Line have the same width and the construction seen from the inside is similar. The Orizzonti is smaller in total though. 

The Shins pair is slightly wider and the construction seems a bit more refined and thinner sewn.

The Warehouse made is the widest but also the shortest. The construction is totally different without the typical triangles 🔺️. Also the position of the coin pocket is the highest between the four pairs.

[blooming]

On 11/12/2023 at 9:42 AM, beautiful_FrEaK said:

The Type2 has a slimmer top block. The XX is known for hip flare, the XX Type2 is slimmer up there.

This bodes well for how these will fit me. I have fairly high-set hips, so hip flare on anything that isn't super high-rise happens in a weird place on me

Edited November 13, 2023 by blooming

[blooming]

Also, @beautiful_FrEaK, I personally love the coin pockets on my 220a and 221 pairs. I keep my lighter there, and they make it by far the easiest to access of all of my pairs.

[obama]

@blooming if you don’t mind sharing, interested to know how the 220a vs 221 fit you differently and which one your prefer? I am loving my 220a and thinking whether worthwhile to but the 221.  Thanks. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

On 11/1/2023 at 9:40 PM, blooming said:

@obama an excellent fit, indeed.

 

I have the 220 and 221, both size 31. The 221 has a slightly lower rise, but otherwise not too different in the top block. The thighs are a bit narrower, and there is a notable taper from about the knee down. I think they would fit you similarly well in the same size as the 220a.

@obama he already told you

[obama]

Oops. You can tell I have old man memory

thanks for reminding me.  

[blooming]

Lol no problem @obama, thanks bF. I prefer the fit of the 221 due to the lower front rise. I think it looks a little cleaner, but I still like the 220a.

[obama]

Thanks @blooming  I found a pair of 221 in W32 L32 last night and pulled the trigger
 

My 220 was in w32 L30. It fits great length wise with one fold but I haven’t washed it yet.  Trust it will be okay without fold after shrinkage?

I hope the L32 in 221 will not be too long after shrinkage with one fold. 
 

I am cheap. I always think the hemming is costly compared to the cost of the whole jeans 🤷‍♂️

[CharlieMike]

@beautiful_FrEaK 

Hello, regarding the difference in color between the front and rear panel on my lot 221 I got this response from WH:
"These jeans use rope-dyed denim using indigo dye. Therefore, the color may be slightly different depending on the lot of fabric." 
I wonder if this was the case in Hayashi's time.

 

[CharlieMike]

2 hours ago, obama said:

Thanks @blooming  I found a pair of 221 in W32 L32 last night and pulled the trigger
 

My 220 was in w32 L30. It fits great length wise with one fold but I haven’t washed it yet.  Trust it will be okay without fold after shrinkage?

I hope the L32 in 221 will not be too long after shrinkage with one fold. 
 

I am cheap. I always think the hemming is costly compared to the cost of the whole jeans 🤷‍♂️

@obama Hello, What size did you wear in Fullcount 1101 (new coupe) and Resolute 710?

[beautiful_FrEaK]

26 minutes ago, CharlieMike said:

I wonder if this was the case in Hayashi's time.

Haven't noticed it yet.
I mean the explanation is rather strange since most denim we talk here is rope dyed and I haven't noticed it so strong on other brands. Yes the denim changes from lot to lot like every product. I would then just assume that the production runs were rather big and they cut the front panels from different denim rolls than the back panels. Other brands might cut all pieces from the same roll and thus the difference is not as striking.

[indigoeagle]

I recently checked my Lot 220A for this: There is no discenible difference on the front and back with my pair.
 

[blooming]

6 hours ago, obama said:

Thanks @blooming  I found a pair of 221 in W32 L32 last night and pulled the trigger
 

My 220 was in w32 L30. It fits great length wise with one fold but I haven’t washed it yet.  Trust it will be okay without fold after shrinkage?

I hope the L32 in 221 will not be too long after shrinkage with one fold. 
 

I am cheap. I always think the hemming is costly compared to the cost of the whole jeans 🤷‍♂️

Mine measure about 33.75 in the inseam after shrinking. I can get away with a big single or a moderately sized double cuff.

Edited November 14, 2023 by blooming

[obama]

4 hours ago, CharlieMike said:

@obama Hello, What size did you wear in Fullcount 1101 (new coupe) and Resolute 710?

I don’t own 1101(yet). My 710 resolute is in W36. But it fit looser than I like. I think 34 will fix best. Hope this helps. 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Some inside rumors:

There will be a 1947 or 1955 model, a WW2 model and another 66 model which will have a different denim to the 66 model that haven't even been released yet.

We will see...

[beautiful_FrEaK]

It was too good to be true...

Denime 15th Anniversary W34 in stock...or rather not

http://www.bengalac.com/124_316.html

[Maynard Friedman]

Still on the hunt I see @beautiful_FrEaK 🤣