Street Fighter Thread

[gettoasty]

damn i love morrigan, all the way back to the darkstalkers series.

[ROYALEFATALE]

ONE & DONE LOL

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[branespload]

you are my friend but these videos are terrible

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they're documentaries ^^

ps. fuqq a tron assist

[funkdoobi]

83nSodg-HTU

[16steps]

you are my friend but these videos are terrible

thats why i fucking HATE playing royale

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because you always lose or?

[semaj]

online nonsense aside.

N0y2QRlfkz4

"I AM A SUPERSTAR, I AM MARN"

[billy.]

downloaded that zerrooooooooooooo

[mago_san_2d_god]

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/apr/07/super-street-fighter-4-ae-dlc-official-trailer/

AE DLC confirmed!

also

Versus Battles against regular SSFIV players will also be supported, Capcom states "Get out there and duke it out with the version you like best!"

this is good news for people that plan to keep their main who are getting nerfed but this would kind of ruin the gameplay wouldn't it though?

[branespload]

yeah how is that gonna work..

trailer if the videos get taken down

http://img820.imageshack.us/i/5gk.mp4/

[DüM]

pretty sure they mean you can play super or ae. not a mix of both.

[16steps]

when will this be available?

[phelen]

25th June here in the UK.

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on SRK they're saying it's character specific whether you want super or ae, not two different game versions, which would fuck things up in tourneys

[DüM]

They're speculating same as us. That wouldn't make any sense.

[billy.]

is this like where u could pick old sagat and keep that insane dp damage? in old super sf2 tourneys?

[semaj]

edit^^^^^^^^

what billy said.

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They've done this before with ssf2turbo where you can choose old Sagat etc.

I think it'll be interesting and fun since the twins has been dominating AE so far.

[mrip]

prob gonna be only super or only ae.

like if you want to play online but someone doesnt have the ae dlc you both can play super

something like that

[phelen]

Balance Changes (grabbed from GAF)

Abel, Adon, Akuma, Balrog, Blanka, Cammy, ChunLi Changes

Abel

- 2nd hit of Abel's Crouching Hard Punch has a smaller hitbox, both upward and downward.

- Tornado Throw damage reduced.

- Roll lost some of its hit invincibility at the end of it, making it easier to punish. There was no change to the recovery frames.

- Ultra 1 had a 10% damage reduction. Ultra 1's new damage would range from 309-450. In SSF4 it was 343-500.

- Ultra 2 10% damage reduction, slower startup, super armor gets removed when Abel starts to run forward and there's a longer recovery time when you cancel out of it. New damage totals for Ultra 2 should range from 295-440. In SSF4 these were 328-480.

Adon

- Many of Adon's normals were buffed.

- Crouching Light Punch, Close Standing Medium Punch and Crouching Hard Punch all had changes made to their frame data.

- Close Standing Medium Punch, on hit, will have a frame advantage of +6, so it's possible to Link specials moves to combo, although it's still not Cancelable. This move was -1 on hit in SSF4.

- Far Standing Light Punch, Far Standing Medium Punch and Crouching Medium Punch were given bigger hitboxes.

- EX Jaguar Tooth will not do the yellow EX Flash until he gets to the wall and is invincible to projectiles until grounded.

- Medium Jaguar Kick's hitbox was changed, so Close Standing Hard Punch into Medium Jaguar Kick will register as a combo.

- Super's (Varied Assault) startup changed to 7 frames, down from 9 in SSF4, and the first hit's hitbox is extended downward more.

- Wakeup time was nerfed. Adon now takes longer to get up off the ground than he did in SSF4.

- His buffs are centered around using his normals, so he will be stronger while on ground.

Akuma

- Medium Punch Shoryuken's invincibility was lengthened, now he is completely invincible for the first 5 frames.

- Air Hurricane Kick's jump arc was changed, so running away with it is impossible.

- EX Hurricane Kick damage and stun were reduced.

- His Ultra 2, when Canceled during teleport only, has bigger hitbox downwards. Standing Hard Punch, Teleport into Ultra 2, is possible now.

- During back dash, airborne frame comes immediately after invincibility frames end.

- Considering balance, the runaway tactic with his Air Hurricane Kick was removed, but other things can be done as you currently can, so you will be able to apply your skill in SSF4 to SSF4 AE as well.

Balrog

- Damage for Close Standing Medium Punch was decreased slightly. It now forces opponent to stand on hit, and is Special Cancelable. This move took off 80 life in SSF4.

- Far Standing Light Punch will now miss crouching opponents.

- Damage on Headbutt was decreased and it now has more recovery frames of animation, but recovery time is the same if it hits. Balrog's Headbutt took off 100/120/140/150 for the Light, Medium, Hard and EX versions in SSF4.

- Ultra 2 (Dirty Bull) motion changed from a 720 to two half-circle backs + 3x Punch.

Blanka

- Rock Crusher (Toward + Medium Punch) has less recovery. Rock Crusher, into Far Standing Light Punch into Beast Roll is possible now.

- Beast Slide (Down-Toward + Hard Punch) has less active frames, as a result the whole animation time is shorter. Also, his hittable box during the recovery of this move has been increased.

- His Forward Hop (Toward + 3x Kick) has more grounded frames of animation during start up, making him easier to grab out of it.

- The hittable box of his Beast Roll has been widened in size while rolling around, and the distance traveled after having it blocked has been altered. Distance on recovery from a blocked Beast Roll for the Light Punch and EX versions is the same in SSFIV as it is in Arcade Edition. Medium Punch punch and Hard Punch distances were reduced, with Medium Punch taking Blanka away a longer distance than Hard Punch. So it is necessary to plan which one to use at which distance more so than it is now.

- EX Backstep Rolling's (Rainbow Ball) forward distance has been reduced a little, so it's harder to escape from the corner. It is still possible to move forward and back based on joystick movement, though.

- EX Electricity has much faster start up now, so it's easier to use.

Cammy

- Close and Far Standing Light Punch recovery time decreased.

- Close Standing Medium and Hard Punch recovery time decreased.

- Crouching Light and Medium Punch and recovery time decreased.

- These changes give Cammy more frame advantage with her Normals.

- Cannon Spike flies less distance away after connecting, making it easier to punish, this is on block and hit.

- Regular version of Cammy's Cannon Strike (Dive Kick) cannot be done as low to the ground as before. The EX version was unaffected.

Chun Li

- Stun damage reduced on Crouching Hard Kick. Damage reduced on Standing Medium Punch. Both moves have the same hit properties.

- Her Focus Attack is now easier for opponents to hit. Assumption on what this means: Chun-Li would step back when she started her Focus Attack animation, some moves would miss her because of this. It sounds like this will no longer be the case in Arcade Edition.

- Down-Toward + Light Kick comes out slower, more vulnerability. Can still combo after it if it hits an airborne opponent.

- No changes to her Special Moves

[phelen]

Cody, C Viper, Dan, Dee Jay, Dhalsim, Dudley, E Honda Changes

Cody

- Crouching Light Kick now has a 3 frame start up, it was 4 frames in SSFIV. Frame advantage on hit is still the same. Should be a better low poke, with reach, now.

- Toward + Hard Kick has more ability to juggle after connecting it. Until now, on a grounded opponent, the first hits of EX Criminal Upper didn't connect, but now they will.

- The range at which Cody can pick up the knife has been increased.

C Viper

- Ultra 2's hitbox size increased.

Dan

- Close Standing Light Punch's startup is changed to 3 frames. This was 4 frames in SSFIV.

- Crouching Medium Punch's startup was changed to 5 frames, was 7 frames in SSFIV.

- Close Standing Light Kick, Close Standing Medium Punch, Close Standing Hard Kick, Far Standing Light Punch, Crouching Light Punch, and Crouching Medium Kick's recovery time was reduced, so there are new combos available.

- For example, Far Standing Light Punch into Crouching Medium Kick will combo along with Crouching Medium Punch 2x.

- Neutral Jumping Hard Punch has pursuit property, and will slam opponents down to the ground when hit.

- Medium and Hard Dan Kicks damage distribution got adjusted.

- Hard Dan Kick's total damage was decreased.

- Koryuken (Dragon Punch) will give air reset on trade, this is likely on Dan, not the opponent.

- Haoh Gadoken's invincibility was decreased to 8 frames after Ultra freeze. As a result, if it can be stuffed, and projectile will not come out when that happens.

-Normals are enormously buffed, so it became interesting in a close range brawl.

Dee Jay

- Far Standing Light Punch's hittable box around his arm was removed, so it's more difficult to beat this attack.

- Crouching Medium Punch's priority was strengthened, and it deals more damage.

- Close Standing Medium Punch's active frames were increased by 1, making it a total of 5 active frames, so it's easier to use as a close anti air.

- Far Standing Medium Kick was changed to be a 2-hit normal, and it got adjusted in damage distribution, in startup, and in the total duration. Now, the 1st hit is Cancelable, so combos such as Crouching Light Punch, into Far Standing Medium Kick, into Special Moves and also Close Standing Medium Kick into Far Standing Medium Kick into Special Moves combos are possible.

- Close Standing Hard Kick is now a techable knockdown against air opponents. You can now do juggle combos after the second hit.

- Far Standing Hard Kick's startup is 1 frame faster, and the active frames for it was increased by 1.

- Crouching Hard Kick's distance was shortened, but has more active frames, and it will recover faster after the active frames end.

- Toward Jumping Medium Kick's pushback on hit is adjusted, so combos after crossing up with it are easier.

- Air Slasher's (Fireball) recovery got shortened, and the hitstun/blockstun got reduced as well. There are no changes to EX Air Slasher. Opponent's attack will now be registered as a counter hit if you get hit out while doing this, so if the opponent jumps in on you, you will be in a world of hurt.

- Light Dread Kicks' (Double Rolling Sobat) startup was changed to 12 frames, and his lower body invincibility was lengthened as well. It's comboable from Light attacks now. It's throw invincibility and airborne state were removed.

- Medium, Hard and EX Dread Kicks (Double Rolling Sobat) 1st hit deals longer hitstun, so landing the first 1st hit, Focus Attack Dash Canceling, and following up with a combo may be great.

- Machinegun Upper's damage was increased.

- Light Jacknife Maximum (Up Kicks) damage was increased, and is completely invincible until active frames end.

- Hard Kick and EX Jacknife Maximum are now less likely to whiff attacks on hit.

- Ultra 2's has less recovery after the cinematic.

- Dee Jay's forward dash has more frames where you can input a Super or Ultra command. As a result, his forward dash into Ultra 2 is easier than it was before.

Dhalsim

- Down-Back + Crouching Medium Punch has faster startup and less recovery time. Now this combo is possible, Down-Back + Crouching Medium Punch 2x into EX Yoga Flame.

- Faster startup time on the EX Yoga Flame, making it comboable from Medium Punch and Kick normal moves. Damage was reduced from 180 down to 120.

- Yoga Inferno (Super) damage was reduced to 300, down from 350.

- During back dash, airborne frame comes immediately after invincibility frames end.

- We looked through his damage again, and as a result he was nerfed a bit, but there are changes beneficial to Dhalsim in other parts of his game. He has a huge diversity between a good match-up and a terrible match-up, but he has strong potential in himself.

Dudley

- Crouching Medium Kick's active frame window was increased to 5 frames, was 3 frames in SSFIV.

- Standing Hard Kick's recovery time was reduced. While it hasn't changed on hit, the frame advantage is 0 on block, so the risk is reduced and therefore it's easier to utilize. Previously, this was -3 on block.

- Jumping Hard Kick will slam down opponents to the ground if they're hit in airborne state, so it's better as an anti air option.

- We changed Toward + Medium Punch's startup to 7 frames, and increased hitbox as well, so it is possible to hit some characters out of their low attacks. The startup on this was 9 frames in SSFIV.

- Toward + Hard Kick's hitbox was buffed, so it is possible to connect from further away than now.

- A new special, EX Duck, is added in, it's different from regular versions. EX Duck has upper body invincibility during movement, and canceling into follow-ups is possible from the 3rd frame.

- Light Punch or Light Kick into EX Duck into Ducking Straight/Upper is possible now.

- Jet Upper Focus Attack Dash Cancel on block has frame advantage of -2.

- Also, we fixed cases where a throw wouldn't connect on some dizzied opponents.

E Honda

- Light Punch Headbutt now has lower body invincibility instead of upper body invincibility, so it will be harder to utilize it as anti air.

- Ultra 1 has projectile invincibility until the last active frame.

- Ultra 2's command has been changed to two half-circle backs from a 720 motion. It's easier to get it out now. Also, while its range increased, it starts up in 2f so it's possible to dodge it after screen freeze.

- During backdash, Honda is now considered airborne right after invincibility ends.

- He had solid skills that builds high damage, so he had overall damage decrease. His basis of strength has not changed, so he can fight as he does now.

[phelen]

El Fuerte, Fei Long, Gen, Gouken, Guile, Guy, Hakan Changes

El Fuerte

- Far Light Punch and Crouching Light Punch now have a 4 frame start up (these moves had a 5 frame start up in SSFIV), but also have additional active frames, making them easier to connect.

- Crouching Light Punch can now be Chain Canceled.

- More recovery on Quacamole Slew (Air Grab) on landing, which includes the EX version, making this easier to punish.

- Tortilla Propeller (Run away, press Hard Punch) lost invincibility, can be countered more easily.

- More startup frames on El Fuerte's Ultra 2 and the damage was also reduced. The size of the hitbox changes with movement (?), making it harder to hit overall.

Fei Long

- Close and Far Standing Light Punch have an extra frame of advantage, making it +6 now.

- Close Standing Medium Kick has a 4 frame startup.

- Additional frame advantage on many moves.

- Less recovery on EX Rekka on hit and on guard.

- No invincibility on his Hard Flying Kick (Chicken Wing).

- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end.

- Crouching Medium Kick still cannot be Canceled, earlier reports said this might happen.

Gen

- Two Target Combos have been added in. 1st: Crouching Light Kick into Crouching Medium Kick. 2nd: First hit of Standing Hard Punch into Standing Medium Kick.

- Both Medium Kicks can be Canceled now, so go for more damage by Canceling into his Specials.

- Standing Light Punch's hittable box from his elbow and onward has been deleted, so it's harder to get hit out of now.

- Crouching Medium Punch's start up is faster, so it's possible to Link from Standing Light Punch and Crouching Light Punch.

- Crouching Medium Punch can now be Canceled, providing good setups into his Hands special on hit or block.

- Standing Hard Kick's range slightly increased. There is no hittable box from his ankle, so it might be useful as a footsie tool.

- Ultra 2 downward hitbox improved, so it has less chance to whiff.

- Traveling speed for Crane Style's Ultra 2 is faster, making it easier to connect with now.

- During backdash, he's airborne right after invincibility wears out.

- Gen received no nerfs.

Gouken

- All of Gouken's normal moves have been improved.

- Close Standing Hard Punch and Close Standing Hard Kick have more frame advantage.

- Close Standing Medium Kick has 3 frame start up start-up, so it'll be easier to compete against some of the other fighters.

- Neutral Jump Hard Punch and diagonal Jump Hard Kick have pursuit properties, and will slam opponents into the ground.

- Ranges on his normal moves haven't changed.

- Back grab has been changed to deal gray damage, so the combo damage from the grab has been decreased. (Translator's note: They're probably saying that the back grab deals 0 gray damage, so it'll get scaled as a combo as well.)

- In specials, Light Punch Running Palm (Senkugoshoha) has been drastically changed, so it will connect from weak attacks (Light Punch/Light Kick), and EX Hurricane Kick locks opponent, making it easier to combo.

- Recovery of the Demon Flip Focus has been significantly decreased, making it easier to utilize.

- Kongo (Counter) is changed as well. To be precise, it can only be activated now by using Punch buttons and the strength of the Punch changes where it sets up a counter hit at. Light for low attacks, Medium for middle attacks, and Hard for upper body attacks.

- During backdash, Gouken is now considered airborne right after invincibility ends.

- His normal and special moves have been changed, and he will be able to do new things while retaining old tactics.

- As a result, his 'easiness' might have been changed, but you will be able to enjoy strategies different from Ryu and Akuma.

Guile

- Deleted hittable box for his Reverse Spin Kick (Toward or Back + Hard Kick) from his knee and below during the first few frames after starting up and reduced its damage. With this adjustment, it's possible to make attacks like Ryu's Crouching Medium Kick whiff and hit them out.

- Spinning Back Knuckle's (Toward + Hard Punch) damage reduced.

- Sonic Boom's meter gain at startup is halved, and we adjusted his meter gaining rate through the match.

- Light Kick, Medium Kick and Hard Kick Flash Kicks damage reduced.

- Sonic Hurricane's damage has been reduced, and the startup time is a bit slower.

- Damage nerf is applied to Special Moves and his Ultra 2, so we can say his damage is reduced throughout.

- He will require more attacks to finish off opponents.

- There are almost no changes to his frame data, so in Arcade Edition he can do everything that he can already do.

Guy

- Crouching Light Kick damage decreased. Has a 3 frame startup now, it was 4 before and took off 30 damage.

- Far Standing Medium Kick has faster startup time and less recovery.

- Far Standing Medium Punch hitbox improved.

- Towards + Medium Punch (Overhead) is two hits now and no longer leaves you at a frame disadvantage on hit.

- EX Run timing for followups is the same as the regular version now.

- EX Run Stop follow up has Super Armor.

- EX Run Slide follow up has projectile invincibility.

- Super does more damage, and fixed some problems with it not connecting after a combo.

Hakan

- Standing Hard Punch's hittable box around his arm got smaller, so it's easier to use as an anti air attack or a poke.

- When Oiled, normal moves buffered after a forward dash now have sliding property.

- Step Low (Toward + Light Kick) is now Cancelable, has a faster startup, can link from Close Standing Medium Punch and other attacks.

- For Oil Shower, the duration of the oil will be stacked now. The maximum duration is 30 seconds. Also, the Medium, Hard and EX versions of the Oil Shower have 5 frames less recovery time, and the EX version can be Canceled into Guard Position (Coward Crouch).

- Oil Shower is one of Hakan's follow ups after an Oil Slide. The effect is the same as Light Kick Oil Shower, and he will be in advantage nevertheless.

- Light Punch Oil Slide has a faster startup, and can be connected from Crouching Light Punch or Step Low (Toward + Light Kick).

- Oil Dive, including the EX version, while holding button, can be canceled into Guard Position (Coward Crouch), you can now use it as a feint and to build meter.

- Oil Rocket and Oil Dive's input property is adjusted, so the feeling will be same with that of Zangief's Spinning Piledriver.

[phelen]

Ibuki, Juri, Ken, Makoto, M Bison, Rose, Rufus Changes

Ibuki

- There have been changes to her normal moves.

- Standing Light Kick has a 4 frame start-up, so it'll be easier to utilize as a weak attack.

- Standing Medium Kick got changed to have a 5 frame start-up so it's possible to use it as the starting point of combos.

- Kunai's (Dagger Toss) damage was decreased.

- Neck Breaker had damage and stun nerf.

- Jump back Kunai's trajectory has been changed to nearly straight vertical-wise.

- A Crouching Hard Kick into Standing Hard Kick Target Combo was added.

- It works in the same way as the later part of her Target Combo 6, but it added in more strategies.

- Her Jump Flip (Tsuijigoe) would register as a counter hit when she was hit out of it, so this was fixed.

Some of the normal moves have been buffed, and some special moves nerfed, but her potential will be the same as she is now.

Juri

- Her Fireball Kick (projectile) knocks the opponent higher up into the air. Now you can combo it into a Pinwheel Kick, for example.

- Less stun and damage on the kick part of the Fireball Kick.

- No changes to Ultra 1, but because of the changes to the kick part of the Fireball Kick, it's easier to score knockdowns.

- Faster foot speed, while walking towards and backwards.

- EX Focus Attack hitbox improved

Ken

- Less recovery time on Crouching Medium Punch. He can now combo Crouching Medium Punch into Crouching Medium Kick.

- Improved the hit box for Crouching Light Punch.

- Target Combo hit box (Medium Punch into Hard Punch) also had its hitbox improved.

- Light Punch Shoryuken has 2 extra frames of recovery, but now does 120 damage. It did 100 damage in SSF4.

- EX Fireball can juggle twice in the air, so now you can get full juggle off a Light Punch Shoryuken into EX Fireball.

- EX Air Hurricane Kick can now be blocked high or low. Used to be that it had to be blocked high.

- Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end.

Makoto

- Crouching Light Kick has more range.

- Standing Light Kick is Kara Cancelable during its start up animation. The Kara Karakusa is possible again.

- Crouching Hard Kick hit box extended out in front of Makoto, and the hittable box has been lowered slightly, making it easier to use as an anti air.

- Crouching Hard Punch has slightly more active frames.

- Toward + Light Punch has a 3 frame startup (formerly 4 frames).

- EX Hayate (Dash Punch) now breaks armor and has a slightly faster start up.

- Opponent can no longer do a quick get up after Makoto connects with a Hard Punch or EX Oroshi (Overhead Chop). It's more useful now in resets and wake up situations.

- Fukiage (Upwards Punch) when Makoto's arm is fully extended, the hittable box from her chest up has been almost completely removed. Downward attack box has been extended as well, so there are now almost no situations where it trades or is stuffed. It still can't hit grounded opponents, though. The start up for all versions has been improved so it's more useful than it is now.

- EX Tsurugi (Axe Kick) is now like Cammy's EX Cannon Strike, in that it can be done very low to the ground, i.e. an Instant Axe Kick. It takes practice, but since it is a 2-hit special that makes grabs whiff and hits as an overhead, it'll be more interesting to use in offensive/defensive situations.

- Ultra 1 damage distribution has been changed. It still does the same total damage, but you will see the difference during combo damage and damage scaling based on life left. Apparently, this should result in it doing more damage.

- Ultra 2 has a faster startup time making it easier to counter Fireballs with.

- Makoto's stamina is now 1,000, which is the average stamina rating in the game.

- Forward and back dash are faster, total animation frames were decreased.

- Now a combo such as a Level 1 Hard Punch Hayate (Dash Punch), Focus Attacl Dash Cancel, Crouching Light Kick (and other stuff) into Light Punch Hayate is possible, because of the changes to her Dash speed. Mixing this in with her Grab and Choke (Karakusa) makes this a powerful grab or hit tool.

M Bison

- If you hit with Standing Hard Kick from the knee up it does 80, if you hit with it from the knee down, does 110 damage.

- Crouching Light Kick's hittable box was made slightly larger, making it easier to counter.

- Light Scissor Kicks push back further when blocked, making it harder to punish him, but also making it more difficult to keep pressure on with Crouching Light Kick afterwards.

- Super is projectile invincible during its active frames.

- Ultra 2 is now a charge command, damage was also increased to 450. Was previously 420.

Rose

- Her Super will no longer work when there is a Soul Spark in the screen. It is still possible to Cancel into Super from a Soul Spark, though.

- Soul Satellite (Ultra 2) has been changed. For the sake of balance, its invincibility has been decreased (or erased).

Normals, her projectile, anti air and her basic tactics will stay, so basically, Soul Satellite is the only one that has really been changed.

Rufus

- EX Messiah does less damage. It took off 100 damage in SSF4.

- When Ultra 2 (Big Bang Typhoon) is used as an anti-air, it won't fully connect, so it does less damage in these scenarios now.

-Is considered to be mid-air right after the invincibility frames of his backdash end.

Ryu, Sagat,Sakura, Seth, T Hawk, Vega, Zangief Changes

Ryu

- Far Standing Medium Punch is now Special Cancelable.

- Close Standing Medium Kick damage increased. This took off 70 life in SSF4.

- Close Standing Hard Kick has more frame advantage on hit and block. You can Link into a Shoryuken now with it.

- Decreased Crouching Medium Kick's active frames.

- Towards + Hard Punch (Dash Punch) damage decreased. This took off 120 life in SSF4.

- Jump arc nerfed on his Air Hurricane Kick. It's more difficult to run away with this, but crossups with it will be more ambiguous.

- EX Air Hurricane Kick will no longer miss last few hits.

Sagat

- The total damage is increased on Standing Light Kick when both hits get connected.

- As before, only 1st hit is Special Cancelable.

- Tiger Uppercut's damage is increased when connected at the 1st or 2nd active frames.

- There has been many complaints about Angry Scar that it comes out when unintended, so we changed its command to Kick buttons instead.

-As there were huge changes in transition from vanilla Street Fighter 4 to SSF4, there are no changes in Arcade Edition to anything besides damage and command adjustments.

Sakura

-Close Medium Punch has less recovery.

- Crouching Medium Punch and Kick can combo from a hit confirm.

- Far Standing Medium Punch can be Canceled, just like Ryu.

- Vulnerable hitbox on far Standing Medium Kick reduced, making it harder to hit her out of it.

- Air Arcing Hurricane Kick can get more airborne hits.

- Recovery time on her Fireball reduced.

- Other various adjustments on making hitboxes bigger, damage, and recovery done to make her stronger.

Seth

- His Toward Jumping Hard Punch's number of active frames is doubled, so it's easier to hit with now.

- Far Standing Medium Kick's active frames were lengthened a little, and his hittable box when he extends his leg horizontally was reduced, so it will function better as a poking tool.

- Close Standing Medium Punch's startup is faster and the total duration of the move is reduced as a result, plus frame advantage on hit was increased, so it got significantly buffed.

- Crouching Hard Punch's start up is slightly faster.

- Crouching Medium Kick has slightly more active frames.

- Neutral Jumping and Jumping Away Hard Punch (Stretchy Arms) now is his Jump Toward Hard Punch animation. The jumping stretchy arms attack has been removed.

- His Dive Kick's hitstun and blockstun were decreased, so it's slightly harder to use the move as an offense tool.

- All three Head Stomp moves had their active frames reduced, and the timing to hit all three of them was changed.

- Sonic Boom's recovery was reduced by 1 frame, and EX Sonic Boom's recovery is reduced by 3 frames. Now regular attacks into his regular or EX Sonic Boom, Focus Attack Dash Cancel and a follow up combo are pretty powerful.

- His Spin Kicks (Hyakuretsukyaku) deal more damage and less stun.

- Super's invincibility window was lengthened, and "the pursuit priority is increased." [Translator's note: It's assumed this means it will connect more hits against airborne opponents instead of the attack not fully connecting when someone jumps into it.]

- Ultra 2's recovery was shortened.

- Full invincibility was changed to 12 frames, and after that Seth is only invincible to projectiles until the end of active frames. In SSF4, according to the frame data, Seth was invincible for the first 88 frames of animation, so this is a significant reduction.

- Ultra 1 deals more damage, but has a longer recovery time.

- Stamina increased to 800, stun increased to 900. In SSF4 it was 750 for both his stamina and stun ranking.

[DüM]

I'm excited to try the new Ibuki. I think the general consensus is that she's better now. There were some grumbles from Ibuki players about the neckbreaker distance changes, but the vortex is still there and I think it's actually more ambiguous now. plus her normals were buffed and she got a new tc. dope.

[icandunkonu]

guile is useless, i are diappoint

[evisu 2000]

is this like where u could pick old sagat and keep that insane dp damage? in old super sf2 tourneys?

yeah I'm guessing like anniversary

but would be wack though since they're not including vanilla

[wahwho11]

sakura- holla~

[mrip]

yeah id love to see an anniversary edition disc of sf4 with all 3 versions

sf4 vanilla sagat vs ssf4/ae everybody

[evisu 2000]

gouki loops

[vitasoy]

yes @ viper's changes, just started getting comfortable with her