SugarCane 1990's M-Series Archive

[Alec Leamas]

@yung_flynn thanks for sharing that seller! It's a gold mine!! Just earmarked a pair of Denime XX that, if they're still there in another couple weeks, I'm bagging!!!

(sorry realise that's not thread-related, back to the scheduled programming)

[Maynard Friedman]

^ I’ve bought from that seller in the past. It’s a store and the descriptions and measurements are usually very accurate.

[yung_flynn]

13 hours ago, julian-wolf said:

I don’t remember those shrinking much in length. I can measure mine later but they’ve gotta still be at least like 35” after a few washes

Thanks that is good to know. They would probably work for me then.

I'll sit on it and stew for a while, but I might end up grabbing them. They're fair game for anyone though, because I love to drag my feet indefinitely. If I grab them, they might be a nice alterative to my TCB Cats Drive to fill my late 40s Leepro spot since these will be much more accomodating.

Edited September 13 by yung_flynn

[julian-wolf]

Think on it. They’re some of my favorite jeans I’ve worn, and in general I’d def. recommend them, but that asking price is quite a bit above MSRP (enough so that it would prob. be a dealbreaker for me, personally, even if they were in my size)

[julian-wolf]

On 7/29/2020 at 8:13 PM, Graytrain said:

Resurrecting this from the depths…

This was a pair of (supposedly) M41030 that didn't quite match up—pink line denim, in stead of white, and a number of other details different from the standard M41030. 

Well, looking back through the thread, I'm seeing the S.C. & Co - T.Y. rivet shanks with the "25" in the middle, which just came up in the last page or so in the context of a pair I saw on Yahoo that looked like MP-series, but didn't have much on which to base an ID. @Maynard Friedman suggested that they were likely a 1990 production, with the 25 referencing the Toyo Enterprise 25th anniversary. Seemed very plausible. As it happens, these were made from a pretty similar looking pink-line denim to the pair above.

Maybe @Graytrain's pair were a very early version, still using left over rivets from 2–3 years earlier, and possibly a transition late-MP / early-M denim?

[Graytrain]

This is a great catch @julian-wolf! It has been a long time since i got those anomalies and I haven't had the opportunity to get my hands on any MP era jeans. 

 

Based on the photos from the past few pages I would agree with you.

[julian-wolf]

In other news…

Picked up my absolute dream pair around a month ago, the M41059. I actually already had a pair, which I’d found years ago in the same size (33) as my first M41058, but it turned out that these run around a size smaller, and there was no chance they were going to be comfortable after shrinking. These new ones are tagged 35, and in great condition. Ignoring older MP-series wares like the above, this model has always been right at the top of the list of Cane’s I’d like to find.

 

[Double 0 Soul]

Wow! 

Beautiful

I love those arcs

[nopal]

Whoa, the stitch work on this model…

[MJF9]

@julian-wolf love 'em... great catch...

[MJF9]

More Canes... these came From Japan... big thank you to @nopal who provided the tip-off this time 👍

M41030V... a '37 model, in size w36, l36 which levels out at about a w34.  Interestingly laurel wreath buttons - can do more pics later

They look unworn but washed... the hem has slight signs of roping and the inseam was 87 which iirc is about what my M41001 were at post-wash

So I quickly tried 'em on - a nice wide fit - and stuck 'em in a 40C wash

Post wash, the measurements are unchanged... I'll be calling on @Mr Black's hemming services soon

[aho]

13 hours ago, MJF9 said:

More Canes... these came From Japan... big thank you to @nopal who provided the tip-off this time 👍

Most excellent find! Funny enough, I just saw a pair of these on YouTube the other day in case you want to see how they might fade:
 

 

[Double 0 Soul]

When my pair died.. i harvested the cinch, laurel buttons, tab, and a few patches of the 13oz fabric so if anyone needs to do repairs on their M41030s, give me a hola for spare parts.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Available on a German site:

https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/jeans-sugarcane/2853625601-160-17302?utm_source=sharesheet&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_android

 

Dunno which model and a small size. If you need a proxy...tell me 😅

[nopal]

@beautiful_FrEaK looks like it might be a pair of M41200 but maybe the more experienced will correct me if I’m wrong.

[Double 0 Soul]

Pricey M41001 but good condition / size

https://zenmarket.jp/en/auction.aspx?itemCode=q1152578984

Edited September 20 by Double 0 Soul

[nopal]

Thanks for sharing, but ye shame about the price.

[Double 0 Soul]

I'm increasing peoples perception of price then i'm checking out my collection and retiring to the Caribbean!

The wise money would have invested in 1940s era Levi's from Marvins while they were still under £3k..

..but no, i thought 1990s era SCs would be a wiser investment.. Now what to do with all these NFTs?

[nopal]

So, eh, market manipulation? 😅

FWIW, sure I’m not the only one who’s happy you chose to put your energy into 1990 Canes.

[nopal]

M41300

W35 L36

https://jp.mercari.com/item/m67387501944

[julian-wolf]

Here's something I've never seen before

I guess in the era before M-series product numbers, when Pants were given MP-series numbers, Jackets were given MJ-series… (Can anyone confirm???)

Sorry for the low-quality images; Mercari Shops is being weird

[Double 0 Soul]

Can't confirm.. not sure anyone outside of JP could either but that's a very nice find, wonderful nugget of new info to add to the thread!

[Double 0 Soul]

We'll have to roll our sleeves up and do a bit of denim-archaeology..

I've already found 2x non-denim jackets with MJ codes both look quite old but i'm not sure how old

Down jacket with this label (MJ-793) 'found in a vintage store'

Flight / Bomber jacket with this label (MJ-631) 'NOS'

Happy hunting folks..

..also this Harley Davidson jacket (MJ-873) which just screams 1980s

Edited October 1 by Double 0 Soul

[julian-wolf]

Yes, I've seen MJ codes on a few Henry Lear jackets before, but never made much of it. There was a Henry Lear take on the 65/35 Mountain Parka that I was really interested in for a while (I'm forever in love with the original Sierra Designs version), but I never had any luck finding any in my size. Looks like at least a couple are still up on Yahoo + Mercari. This is the first and only time I've seen any MJ-series denim.

I wonder whether the takeaway is that all the non-denim jackets we're seeing are from the MP / MJ era, or just that they continued that numbering convention for non-denim items after switching to M-series for denim? The latter would be similar to how Buzz Rickson's stuff still kept M-series tags until (I think) just a few years ago, long after main-line Sugar Cane had switched to SC-series.

Edited October 1 by julian-wolf

[Double 0 Soul]

It sounds logical but it's also new info so let's not nail down any conclusions just yet.. let's find some more MJ denim jackets and see where that takes us

Remember when @Graytrain found that "MP era Bluebell shirt" on the previous page.. i've just zoomed the label and it's not MP, it's MS.. therefore, it seems

MP = M-Pants

MJ = M-Jacket

MS = M-Shirt

I've just darkened the image so you can see it better

Edited October 1 by Double 0 Soul

[julian-wolf]

Great detective work there

All things considered, that seems much easier to follow than M1* / SC1* = jackets, M4* / SC4* = pants, etc.…I wonder why they decided to switch it up

[Double 0 Soul]

I think the bigger question is.. why M? Jeez, it’s like an Agatha Christy novel 

 

[tooth]

@Double 0 Soul maybe ‘Mens’?

[Double 0 Soul]

Morning denim-dudes

6 hours ago, tooth said:

@Double 0 Soul maybe ‘Mens’?

..but it runs through every product code up to 2003, there is no W to denote women even on clothing we might consider traditionally feminine, or at least unisex, tiny waist bell bottoms, britches ..ect

If all of their range was designed for men (patriarchal 1980s / 90s era Japan?) and none of it for women and you felt the need to make your customers aware of this.. why hide it in a confusing product code and then why hide the pc in a pocket where nobody can find it?

Back to the drawing board with that theory @tooth 

D- See me after class

[tooth]

@Double 0 Soul yes professor 😂