Denime

[1fookntitefd]

2 hours ago, reallypeacedoff said:

Found it!

Thanks so much! Any update fade pictures of this pair? Any additional shrinkage?

[Ciabatta]

Which 220 version has the winder thigh? XX? 47? 54?

[Alec Leamas]

On 11/27/2025 at 12:37 AM, Ciabatta said:

Which 220 version has the winder thigh? XX? 47? 54?

Can't comment on the 220a offset model as I messed up my sizing, but of the 2 XX models, I would say 54 is marginally wider in the thigh, then again the 47 has a higher rise so the thigh might sit more comfortably.

Sorry that's not clear, they're very very close in the thigh from my experience.

[Alec Leamas]

Warehouse says for the 54 model (in W34):

[Alec Leamas]

and for the 47: 

 

Also real life measurements from my pairs are a page or two back here too!

[reallypeacedoff]

On 11/26/2025 at 12:33 PM, 1fookntitefd said:

Thanks so much! Any update fade pictures of this pair? Any additional shrinkage?

So I bought them just before Indigo Invitational '24, and then Word of Mouth 18-month comp happened afterwards. So I'd imagine maybe 1.5 months of total wear (probably closer to 1 month tbh). Maybe a little more shrinkage than above, but the waist will stretch out easily if needed. 15.7oz after soaking, and these feel pretty airy to me on hot days. There are various denim that I think are pretty grail, and this is in the top 5 for sure.

[beautiful_FrEaK]

A cheap Denime 66XX from the Shins era in W34. Used but good condition

 

https://www.fromjapan.co.jp/japan/en/auction/yahoo/input/o1212903137/

[Ciabatta]

Ok I’ve got an inch I need to scratch. Thinking about the 54 or WWII 220xx. Help me decide. I’ve never had a 50’s cut or a WWII. Leaning towards the WWII….

[Maynard Friedman]

6 minutes ago, Ciabatta said:

Ok I’ve got an inch I need to scratch

Scratching’s probably all you can do with an inch!

[Alec Leamas]

2 hours ago, Ciabatta said:

Ok I’ve got an inch I need to scratch. Thinking about the 54 or WWII 220xx. Help me decide. I’ve never had a 50’s cut or a WWII. Leaning towards the WWII….

I have the 47 and 54, of the 2, I prefer the 47, but both are nice. The denim is what makes both pairs, it's pretty special.

The denim on the WW2 is different, but still made to a Warehouse recipe by Kurabo, so probably still pretty good.

Where have you seen the WW2 in stock? I thought I'd totally missed out!

 

1 hour ago, Maynard Friedman said:

Scratching’s probably all you can do with an inch!

Ohhhh matron! 🧐

[Ciabatta]

4 minutes ago, Alec Leamas said:

I have the 47 and 54, of the 2, I prefer the 47, but both are nice. The denim is what makes both pairs, it's pretty special.

The denim on the WW2 is different, but still made to a Warehouse recipe by Kurabo, so probably still pretty good.

Where have you seen the WW2 in stock? I thought I'd totally missed out!

 

Ohhhh matron! 🧐

Denimio appears to have w36 in stock but that could be a lie…

[Ciabatta]

2 hours ago, Maynard Friedman said:

Scratching’s probably all you can do with an inch!

Haha ! 

[PBTony]

Agree with @Alec Leamas the fabric of the 47 and 54 is really special. You could see brown specs of nep which made it quite different from any denim I'd had before. 

Unfortunately I found after a few washes my 47s slimmed up too much for my taste. If I would try again I would size up or maybe give the 54 a try

[Ciabatta]

Went with the war model. Sized up in the waist in hopes for comfort and looseness in the thighs. 
 

 

[Alec Leamas]

13 hours ago, Ciabatta said:

Went with the war model. Sized up in the waist in hopes for comfort and looseness in the thighs. 
 

 

Ace. Looking forward to seeing some pics of the WW2 model as the thread has been sorely lacking any since the release!

[Enterprise]

23 hours ago, Alec Leamas said:

Ace. Looking forward to seeing some pics of the WW2 model as the thread has been sorely lacking any since the release!

Totally forgot about that, Sorry! I have them stashed away at my parents house since I’m focusing on my WH pair right now. I’ll get some pics when I’m there next week. I can already say that the Denim has that “Kurabo feel” to it, kinda like the 220A denim. Very uniform, firm and crinkly. You can just tell by looking at it that it’s gonna fade like crazy!

[Alec Leamas]

On 1/24/2026 at 2:13 AM, Ciabatta said:

Went with the war model. Sized up in the waist in hopes for comfort and looseness in the thighs. 
 

 

You’ve really got me considering a pair now I know denimio have stock!

Just having some odd back and forth about hemming with them at the moment then may take the plunge.

Share some images and measurements etc when you get yours?

[Ciabatta]

In the wash as we speak. Took some quick and dirty measurements below. 

Size 36x32

RAW

W: 19”
FR: 14”
T: 13.6”
Inseam: 35.25”
LO: 9.75”

 

Fit pics and OW measurements once they dry. 

[Ciabatta]

OW Measurements below.  I’ll try and take fit pics once they settle in more.

W: 17.75”

FR: 12.5”

T: 13”

Inseam: 32.25”

LO: 9”

[Gio20]

221 I got from guilty party atl, worn over one year many washes.

[Gio20]

224 basic little over one year

[Topnotcher]

On 1/29/2026 at 7:15 PM, Ciabatta said:

OW Measurements below.  I’ll try and take fit pics once they settle in more.

 

W: 17.75”

FR: 12.5”

T: 13”

Inseam: 32.25”

LO: 9”

Can you give us some fit pics please ? 

[beautiful_FrEaK]

I honestly didn't expect to see one in this state...

And now it makes me sad.

@Double 0 Soul can you please buy it?  

[indigoeagle]

On 2/18/2026 at 12:46 PM, beautiful_FrEaK said:

I honestly didn't expect to see one in this state...

And now it makes me sad.

@Double 0 Soul can you please buy it?  

Wow- must be very rare.
That would be a great additon for the "vintage repro" thread.

[Double 0 Soul]

Cost of living crisis init 

Im still astounded when I go to the local sandwich shop and 3x bacon and mushroom sarnies cost £20.. I’m still expecting them to be £2ea.. 

im the last person you should take advice from but if you’re not going to wear them, you should get somewhere close to that^ amount back should you sell them 20yrs in the future.. it’s not going to be an easy sell outside of JP so you could lose £100 on the sale.. my question would be .. would you pay £100 to have these as part of the ‘Tilmann Collection’ for 20yrs?

if you are planning to wear them, I’d say don’t.. that^ amount is far too self indulgent 

Seems to be a golden age for rare denim boom era jeans.. makes me wonder if 1st generation denim hunters who were in their 30s back in the 90s are starting to shift their collections as they enter retirement / their late 60s.

[Double 0 Soul]

..also, keep an eye on them, there is an old SC Hinoya special anniversary war model listed.. it was ¥99k last week.. this week they’re ¥75k

They’re just testing the waters sometimes..

[beautiful_FrEaK]

The problem I see: will someone in 20 years still care about this stuff and know about these by then probably defunct brands?! So will there be a demand at all?

But I think you are right, it has to be old wearers/collectors getting rid off their stuff.

I have pair of thse in W34 which fit great, the raw measurements posted there of 34" is frightening me though.

[Double 0 Soul]

That’s the risk isn’t it.. non of these brands have Levi-esque historical value so once our generation stops buying the pull of nostalgia will cease to exist for the next.

Although.. for the moment 

Edited February 18 by Double 0 Soul

[indigoeagle]

2 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

Cost of living crisis init 

Im still astounded when I go to the local sandwich shop and 3x bacon and mushroom sarnies cost £20.. I’m still expecting them to be £2ea.. 

im the last person you should take advice from but if you’re not going to wear them, you should get somewhere close to that^ amount back should you sell them 20yrs in the future.. it’s not going to be an easy sell outside of JP so you could lose £100 on the sale.. my question would be .. would you pay £100 to have these as part of the ‘Tilmann Collection’ for 20yrs?

if you are planning to wear them, I’d say don’t.. that^ amount is far too self indulgent 

Seems to be a golden age for rare denim boom era jeans.. makes me wonder if 1st generation denim hunters who were in their 30s back in the 90s are starting to shift their collections as they enter retirement / their late 60s.

In part that is possible because for many people in the last 15 years or so (wonder what happened) buying real estate has become impossible.
So one might as well not save, but spend it.

[indigoeagle]

2 hours ago, Double 0 Soul said:

That’s the risk isn’t it.. non of these brands have Levi-esque historical value so once our generation stops buying the pull of nostalgia will cease to exist for the next.

Although.. for the moment 

 

In the everything bubble anything with a relatively fixed amount has risen strongly in price, whether shitcoins, Rolex watches,  stocks or collectibles/memorabilia.

I think, once the bubble deflates vintage prices (except for the really rare pieces) will also come down.

Edited February 18 by indigoeagle