garbage man: The Poll

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[GiZMO]

[ProfMonnitoff]

the concept is great. in reality he used the word lulz in his first post.

[Tisswat]

I voted 'who's garbage man' as in, what's his/her true identity?

[le_chic_garcon]

[Tisswat]

[lil brown brother]

after reading the unbanning thread .. this comes to mind for GM's strict and no nonsense way of moderating...

[ddohnggo]

wayne or minya?

[datasupa]

after reading the unbanning thread ..

i cannot believe i slept through the whole unbanning thread. in b4 lock....not:(

this comes to mind for GM's strict and no nonsense way of moderating...

strict?

did you see what happened when some idiots went over to authentic forum? instant ban, no questions asked

this forum has spoiled you guys superrotten

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[lil brown brother]

from the way things are going i think thats whats gonna happen here ... no nonsense moderating ...

[datasupa]

^don't exaggerate.

sufu is still way more lax than other fashion sites.

instead of 'no-nonsense', i think a better description for the new climate would be 'no oft-repeated, ridiculously egregious and flagrantly offensive behavior (or at least after the 6th infraction warning, which is where we definitely draw the line, dammit)'

i can live with that

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[lil brown brother]

coming from what this forum was? that is no nonsense

[mellowbonsai]

after reading the unbanning thread, i want to rescind my "second coming of christ" vote

here are some bad things i have noticed so far:

1. typing in all caps/cursing at posters in threads:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828756&postcount=62

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828840&postcount=100

from my perspective, it looks like youre participating in a shouting match. a mod should be calm, cool, collected at all times, willing to reason with poster's concerns via PM than in one of the threads

2. editing posts:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828739&postcount=57

what did you originally say? why would you edit it? secrecy undermines your credibility.

3. ad hominem attacks, judging posters based on their alliance with other posters:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828848&postcount=104

moderators are not in a position to interpret and judge the actions of other posters, except when it involves violating rules

4. attempting to interject humor in a serious thread, all caps, casual use of internet jokes: http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828874&postcount=111

again, whatever professionalism could have lent to your legitimacy, you destroy it here

5. having to justify/explain your actions:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828870&postcount=109

a moderator

[mellowbonsai]

^accidentally hit "post quick reply", i'll write the rest in a few minutes

[artificialsky]

after reading the unbanning thread, i want to rescind my "second coming of christ" vote

here are some bad things i have noticed so far:

1. typing in all caps/cursing at posters in threads:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828756&postcount=62

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828840&postcount=100

from my perspective, it looks like youre participating in a shouting match. a mod should be calm, cool, collected at all times, willing to reason with poster's concerns via PM than in one of the threads

2. editing posts:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828739&postcount=57

what did you originally say? why would you edit it? secrecy undermines your credibility.

3. ad hominem attacks, judging posters based on their alliance with other posters:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828848&postcount=104

moderators are not in a position to interpret and judge the actions of other posters, except when it involves violating rules

4. attempting to interject humor in a serious thread, all caps, casual use of internet jokes: http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828874&postcount=111

again, whatever professionalism could have lent to your legitimacy, you destroy it here

5. having to justify/explain your actions:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showpost.php?p=828870&postcount=109

a moderator

THIS IS A CALL-OUT

[Lab]

The trash's porn threads have received more regulation these past few days than most supermarket posts.

[mrip]

yo mellow, in the post GM edited he said some shit about nailed westside to a cross and someone called him out for talking about religion.

[denimdestroyedmylife]

the trash created the garbage man

[mellowbonsai]

5. having to justify/explain your actions:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/sho...&postcount=109

a moderator should never have to be in a position to justify his/her/its actions or explain their reasoning. the moderator is there to enforce the rules. procedures for enforcing the rules should be posted, so there is no ambiguity. User violates rule? Yes. infraction/tempban/permaban (those levels should be explained as well)... Posters should have no questions to ask. if they still do, please answer them via PM instead of clogging the thread with posts you yourself deem unnecessary.

also, a moderator should not even participate in the quality vs quantity of posts argument. the whole debate is immaterial to the central question: Did the user violate the rules?

if we carried this "junk posts" rule to its logical conclusion, supertrash would not exist. everyone should have the 10 post moratorium. the whole subjectivity of what is "junk" and what is a "contribution" confounds the debate as well

6. http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?t=42876

the supertrash bulletin board should be a one-way conduit. the moderator shows some degree of transparency by making public the changes the mod makes. Decisions such as posting bans and infractions would include a citation of which rule(s) the poster violated to warrant a ban.

7. other disconcerting phenomena:

http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?p=826938

why a consolidation of all these threads? i don't think they were annoying, nor were they bumped to the top 24/7. i think if any rule exists, if there is nudity/violence/suggestive material, the thread title is edited to include NSFW, but there would never be consolidation.

micromanagement: youre setting yourself up for failure when you try to micromanage the trash. reversing and re-reversing decisions about banning, stickying, etc will only show a "i'm making this up as i go along" approach.

and finally, a word on the maturity/"prove yourself" approach to westside, airjamie et al:

how are you going to expect "maturity" from someone who you dont treat as a maturely yourself? you get back what you pay in. you treat westside like some special, dumb poster and its no surprise he did what he did.

what is "maturity"? what exactly qualifies as "proving himself" to be free from the post moratorium and the trash?

bringing up vague terms like this only makes it appear as if youre muddling your way through your job. precise definitions and lines must be drawn so there are no questions and legitimacy is restored

[mellowbonsai]

if there's anything the garbage man is doing wrong, it's defending his/her actions too much.

just do it.

i disagree with what happened

personally, i think GM was setting up westside et al for failure. placing unrealistic/unfair expectations (like the moratorium) put westside up in the perfect position to be banned.

i cant be bothered to find the post, but i remember countach!'s post about "hey how long does this supertrash banishment last" and GM said something to the effect of "THIS IS HOW A GOOD UNBANNED PERSON BEHAVES"

what the hell? a moderator isn't supposed to be some benevolent, paternalistic character. GM isn't someone that should be appeased or someone we all bow down to. this isn't prison, but GM is sure treating some posters like theyre on parole.

deference and hierarchy contradict the essence of the trash.

[denimdestroyedmylife]

i prefer an old-testament mod: angry, unpredictable like the weather, feared, mysterious, unreasonable, abstract, inhuman

[zehero]

Bonsai. If I could conduct myself more eloquently, I would have said exactly what you have.

Brilliant. +rep

[denimdestroyedmylife]

we should all meet up and commit mass suicide

not sure i can make it until later...

[mellowbonsai]

i prefer an old-testament mod: angry, unpredictable like the weather, feared, mysterious, unreasonable, abstract, inhuman

in all seriousness, my ideal mod:

reticent:

• posting more than necessary is really weird for a mod, it makes it look like you have a stake in whats going on
  
• waywt okay, see: hap
  
• flip side of the coin: anonymity minimizes any controversy

transparent:

• rules are clearly explained
  
• procedures for punishing violations explained (# of infractions before tempban, permaban, editing posts, etc
  
• instances of infractions, tempbans and permabans are listed underneath each relevant rule that was broken
  
• only substantive violations of rules are punished, no wild interpretation of certain rules to get one poster or another banned. subsequent infractions, tempbans and permabans should be based on precedent, not on how the mod feels at the time
  
• posters are given a reason for being banned, no exceptions

minimalism:

• consolidation of threads only when entirely neccessary (a la ddml, see: I AM THE UPSETTER). NSFW threads should just be marked with NSFW in title
  
• no new threads to be posted by moderator unless necessary. the whole "unbanning" thread could have posted in the trash bulletin.
  
• locking threads: spam, duplicate, wrong subforum, etc. no "i'm going to lock this thread because im about to go to sleep". if that thread was locked for a violation of rules, it shouldve been locked at the second page when westside first said "faggot".

[datasupa]

personally, i think GM was setting up westside et al for failure. placing unrealistic/unfair expectations (like the moratorium) put westside up in the perfect position to be banned.

bullshit

laff @ how people argue westside was 'setup' or he was 'forced' to spew idiocy. is he a mindless muppet, robotically doing whatever he's setup to do? or some kind of wild animal who's been prodded into attacking? give him some credit and let him take some fucking responsibility for his actions like a free willed adult. at least let him go out like a gangsta instead of a manipulated chump.

[sufu1]

nope. not me. not minya.

wayne or minya?

[sybaritical]

we should all meet up and commit mass suicide

not sure i can make it until later...

In the meantime, start smoking or eat at Quizno's.

[mellowbonsai]

bullshit

laff @ how people argue westside was 'setup' or he was 'forced' to spew idiocy. is he a mindless muppet, robotically doing whatever he's setup to do? or some kind of wild animal who's been prodded into attacking? give him some credit and let him take some fucking responsibility for his actions like a free willed adult. at least let him go out like a gangsta instead of a manipulated chump.

i should clarify. agreed, he definitely had the choice to "behave" and he wasnt provoked, but the post moratorium is an unfair/unrealistic expectation.

GM stood by this unfair ultimatim and said he wasnt going to back down on it. westside decided to opt out. okay, he couldve chosen a more graceful way to exit, but imagine if you were in his position.

all of a sudden youre some special exception to everyone else by 1. being relegated to the trash, 2. being banned, 3. unbanned, but you have conditions no one else abides by? even at that, those conditions are subjective and unfair