shit you hate

[cococo344]

These fucking american apparel adds. I cant tell if I like them or hate them...

[jamokes]

i think they're funny because they advertise bodysuits, plaid skirts, etc. to more men than women

AA must be encouraging this audience to visit their store with the intention of finding more racy photos, but i have to wonder how often that actually ends with someone buying anything

[merz]

 

is that one of them atelier dudes? nothin offensive about that fit, but he's sure as hell 'graduated,'   sporting a de Sade book and all in on sz..

 

haha, it sure is. you should have seen mike nouveau from around the same time though, zebra-stripe jeans and all. somehow the intense waft of douche all those dudes exude kind of persists no matter what costume they've donned since.

 

girls must be fighting over yo dick. 

 

sounds like you're fighting over my dick, mate

with yourself mostly.

Edited February 4, 2014 by merz

[xerrox]

Was supposed to have a phone interview for a job at home that I actually really wanted. They canceled because of a huge snowstorm and said they'd reschedule. I emailed after a few days to follow up, nothing. Just called, lady is like

 

"I think we're pretty close to wrapping up the process, so I wouldn't want you to waste your time flying in for an interview." for an interview that had already been scheduled for the phone. I fucking give up.

[Supercilious]

getting the rare pairs stepped on

Edited February 4, 2014 by Supercilious

[CronutEh]

Was supposed to have a phone interview for a job at home that I actually really wanted. They canceled because of a huge snowstorm and said they'd reschedule. I emailed after a few days to follow up, nothing. Just called, lady is like

 

"I think we're pretty close to wrapping up the process, so I wouldn't want you to waste your time flying in for an interview." for an interview that had already been scheduled for the phone. I fucking give up.

 

respect the curve

[roundhouse]

 

 

 

haha, it sure is. you should have seen mike nouveau from around the same time though, zebra-stripe jeans and all. somehow the intense waft of douche all those dudes exude kind of persists no matter what costume they've donned since.

 

 

sounds like you're fighting over my dick, mate

with yourself mostly.

 

i'm not entirely familiar with mike, besides his fits on sz, so i'll leave it at that.

 

actually this is probably a good chance to evoke the persistent and expansive (multi-forum) topic of 'being legit.' in macro's defence, who used to post here too, the 'poet-darkrocker' look, in facile terms, or in even more facile terms -- the sz-atelier look/schema, seems to coherently follow from the aforementioned picture, only, the later stages just represent a buying into of 'high' fashion, concomitant with higher spending power. hence, 'graduated.'

one could also make reference to your bucket hat (flower pot?) pic of the past and compare it to macro's on the basis that it represents the earlier stages of sartorial cultivation. 

i'm tempted to end with 'so what are your thoughts?' but you've thoroughly expounded on the topic in the past, and on the multiple discussion forums. fuuma had a great post somewhere saying 'there is no authenticity,' at least in our age, which is what i agree with. and by saying this he wasn't, in my understanding, defecting from the argument but rather commenting on fragmentary and permeable act of contemporary consumption -- in its most extreme case it gives way to a zebra pants-to-harnden timeline, or a street/skate wear-to-goth triad enforcer timeline etc etc. i remember making a post on unwvn to the same effect, only longer and more sardonic so the point was sorta lost.

  

 

 

[sawyer]

^^^this is what its like every time i try to read your post:

 

[merz]

it was, in fact, a flower pot.

 

well played. and the more i think back to it, the more i'm inclined to go with my opposition to that point fuuma made being what i'd go with, if i had to choose a single angle for my discussion of aesthetics online. i honestly don't think it to apply so broadly or absolutely as he had intoned. you're right in that you've heard me repeat this on end forever and again, but bear with me one more time: there are relationships you can have with things or subjects or what have you that can and do involve sincere appreciation of what moth described as that "very subjective feeling that some inner necessity decided of its existence". that appreciation is tangible and for its own sake, and not (that is, not only - as fuuma suggests) because that something or someone placed in a context with that something can derive from it some kind of social currency. 

 

There had been another comment made recently attempting to equate general social awareness (you live amongst people and know that you live amongst people and are always part of someone else's experience) with life as perpetual spectacle. and that was also something i strongly disagree with. There are very much fine lines for me that separate performance from whatever it is that performance isn't - just getting on getting on..? I find it easier to relate to people when there are fewer airs being put on, if any. you know that shit when you see it. It isn't some cultivated nonchalance of growing your hair out and wearing some rumpled jacket. Let alone fuuma's gleeful insistence that airs and pretense are all we're ever capable of. I'd like to at least leave open the possibility of living life without pandering to an audience or giving it any consideration whatsoever. If i thought of mine as some feat of performance art, wouldn't have lasted long before going mental. anyway, yeah.. there are people who live their lives that way, and all i've been saying is that maybe they should speak for themselves.

 

some years back, this is back when i counted myself amongst sz's more vocal proponents, i realised how many images from the forum have been reduced to broken links, to say nothing of the ones mysteriously overwritten with gay porn. so i put out this open call for people to send me whatever stuff they have archived, and was kind of surprised at the amount of response i had gotten. some folks, it seems had chronicled quite broadly the early wywt post history for not only SZ but sufu as well. so i suddenly ended up with these awkward photos of some latter-day showroom mafia graduates, firmly debunking any idea of it being 'way more challenging and fashion-forward back in the diiZZaay, mayynnng'

 

anyway, feel free to move this over to nwvn if the natives grow restless. ogod, SENTENCES!

Edited February 4, 2014 by merz

[merz]

^^^this is what its like every time i try to read your post:

 

 

 

its called 'attention deficit disorder' mate, and there are doctors who can help you with that.

[sawyer]

alternatively:

 

 

sorry merz but i am clinically mentally disabled. i dont actually understand anything thats happening right now

[Trouble]

Was supposed to have a phone interview for a job at home that I actually really wanted. They canceled because of a huge snowstorm and said they'd reschedule. I emailed after a few days to follow up, nothing. Just called, lady is like

 

"I think we're pretty close to wrapping up the process, so I wouldn't want you to waste your time flying in for an interview." for an interview that had already been scheduled for the phone. I fucking give up.

 

I once had to take a 45 minute online "Personality Test" in addition to a lengthy application process for a fucking Cashier job at Home Depot. They scheduled a phone interview with me, and after the 15 minute phone interview they asked me to come in for an in - person interview. It went really well and the hiring manager told me that I seemed like a "perfect fit for the job (lol)" and that "the head manager will give you a call within the next few days".

 

Woke up the next day and got an email saying "We have determined that your skills and experiences are not the strongest possible match for the position" or something

 

Fucking bullshit

 

Before we know it you're going to need a BA to work at McDonald's

Edited February 4, 2014 by Trouble

[roundhouse]

sawyer, you're probably getting a bit confused because the discussion starts a page back. to clarify, the zebra pants (lol) reference was from merz's post, and by 'triad' i mean them all black dressing HK gangsters -- if you look back at it again i was laying out examples of stylezzz. 

 

i've come across tonnes of shit i don't understand or care for on forums, but i haven't and don't find it necessary, pictorially or not, to make it explicit that i am. posts made on an open forum, in case you haven't caught on, are made with the aims that people may join in -- and this is entirely optional, have something to say or move on.

 

 

BUT i think, as merz suggested, your graphical confessions (such pretty pictures! do you have  tumblr portfolio?) reveal something else, besides indifference to some content, entirely.

Edited February 4, 2014 by roundhouse

[sawyer]

i dont have a tumblr. i only have superfuture.

[roundhouse]

when i mentioned this discussion gets drawn out to perpetuity, and you being a key speaker, i wasn't expressing fatigue (though i can understand if others would). i'm always keen on what you've got to say.

 

you know that shit when you see it.

 as much as i practise this myself, there lies a problem with who's doing the authenticating, and who among the authenticators should have the final say. what you, and the reference to moth, seems to describe is an uninterrupted and seamless progression of stylistic appreciation; i believe to be sincere and admirable but i find problems with the slight innateness ascribed to it. can there be no latent undercurrents, or certain events that change an outlook, or even, dare i say, inspiration and to some extend emulation, that give rise to an adoption of a style or aesthetic outlook? (on second thought i'm quite sure someones already said this and i'm just being a parrot).

 

 

" Let alone fuuma's gleeful insistence that airs and pretense are all we're ever capable of. I'd like to at least leave open the possibility of living life without pandering to an audience or giving it any consideration whatsoever. "

 

The possibility, as you say,  should be open but i don't think it's available to who ever frequents fashion forums or discussion pertaining to it. the closest example i can think of of the truly oblivious, indifferent and idontgiveafuck mindset towards presenting oneself would be those certain academics you come across who wear the most dreary, humdrum and inoffensive fits composed of a cardigan, slacks and some orthopedic shoes (granted they gotta show up to work according to a dress code) . we, you included, on the other hand put up clear signals and filters for the people we want to attract to or repel from of our ideal social spheres.  

 

further on the airs and pretense note: it's clear that most of what we're against is the hopping from one trend to trend -- reaping in all the 'cool points' that are left until it gets saturated by the mainstream -- and while doing so there is a check in place so the images and symbols surrounding it are correctly projected. here i mean 'correctly' to be performing 'being legit' so as to not reveal any disingenuousness; some do this poorer than others and there's always someone provide some backlash for it. 

 

what's said here doesn't end the discussion of course. way too many moving parts to really come across a unifying theory of putting clothes on (but to be honest it's a lot more that just putting on clothes whether any of us like it or not). i’ll post more on the other side if I have some further thoughts, but don’t hold it against me if things go to stale mate again as this discussion often does.

Edited February 5, 2014 by roundhouse

[frasier oiseau]

Just going back to a point that confused me somewhat (Sorry, I'm somewhat in sawyer's camp, in that I'm not particularly bright:

 

the more i think back to it, the more i'm inclined to go with my opposition to that point fuuma made being what i'd go with, if i had to choose a single angle for my discussion of aesthetics online. i honestly don't think it to apply so broadly or absolutely as he had intoned. you're right in that you've heard me repeat this on end forever and again, but bear with me one more time: there are relationships you can have with things or subjects or what have you that can and do involve sincere appreciation of what moth described as that "very subjective feeling that some inner necessity decided of its existence". that appreciation is tangible and for its own sake

 

So is what you're talking about, at least to some extent, really visceral aesthetic attraction? This is what's kind of escaped me through the constant discussion of authenticity/legitimacy of dress vs costume that we've had on unwoven. Where does this sort of attraction to the creator's work factor in? I think that being so enamoured with a designer's world, their aesthetic, justifies (in their mind, if not to me) adopting this sort of "costume". For every seenmy who jumps between fads and aesthetics as easily as someone changing hats under the pretence of simply appreciating "garments" and their quality, there do seem to be people who have a sort of child-like naivety, or at least an indifference, towards the "cool capital" any such look brings. To me, donning a costume doesn't have to be inauthentic, but as much of this "feeling that some inner necessity decided of its existence". I mean, is there no room for the transience of attraction, "changing costume" in effect, that we might feel in the same way we feel a really fleeting attraction to a particular album or even genre, which is, for the most part, more of a private consumption that fashion?

 

Or perhaps this is what you meant by "how personal of a connection to that kind of shrink-wrap narrative". Either way, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.

[mr fluffernutter]

Maybe it's a design flaw with the formatting of text on superfuture but I can't read these paragraphs either.

[frasier oiseau]

Maybe it's a design flaw with the formatting of text on superfuture but I can't read these paragraphs either.

 

 Same, the reason everything I write is so inane is because I can't be bothered to go through and re-read it before posting

[roundhouse]

deux_o, 

 

i personally think seenmy dresses well, you'd expect him to since he's in the fashion industry.

 

in the end i think rotating through different fits is fine, as long as you don't put things together that are the complete antithesis of each other and make each different 'aesthetic universe' a masthead for your life

[frasier oiseau]

deux_o, 

 

i personally think seenmy dresses well, you'd expect him to since he's in the fashion industry.

 

in the end i think rotating through different fits is fine, as long as you don't put things together that are the complete antithesis of each other and make each different 'aesthetic universe' a masthead for your life

 

Seenmy dresses incredibly well, there's no disputing that, but his attraction is pretty transparent, going from trend to trend (McCoys, Visvim, Soloist, CCP, Paul Harnden). 

 

In regards to your latter point, I do agree to some extent, and without getting too mired down in the whole authenticity debate, it's certainly cool to see people play with a revolving series of different styles (Fuuma is a pretty good example of this, and someone who definitely seems to have "fun" with clothing in general)

[roundhouse]

yeah good points. for seenmy, it's in his job description.

 it just gets a bit funny when someone else tries too hard with incorporating ccp/harnden which are meant to be 'anti-fashion'

 

to put things simply, i think most of the stuff i typed before was trying to suggest a description towards the common occurrence of head to toe rick fits getting negged

Edited February 5, 2014 by roundhouse

[SSchadenfreude]

Hi Merz,

u comin (back?)2 sufu from sz is like when some scenester gets fed up with all the emo sissyness and wants to kickbox mosh again with the tuff bros (some of whom even moonlight over there).

[merz]

Wave of implications.gif! I think I had subscribed here some months after joining sz and have enjoyed your company in moderation since. I along with a number of others left sz a while ago but we got our own thing going instead, helps keep the conversation focused. What you have just seen here is a conversation that had been going on for a couple of years now, spilling over to supertrash(!) with the main question being what qualitative difference exists between wearing pants on the inside because pants is how you have always felt on the inside (credit to fuuma here) or waking up one day to the sudden, life-changing realisation of.. ah, um.. feeling pants and consequently doning a pair.

Deux O, roundhouse, will provide a proper answer elsewhere when I'm not typing it from a goddamn phone.

[po_boy_fuuma_hatesbargerz]

i'm begging you to name names

 

also, i'm in the process of looking through the early years of this thread, and just about everything that's still being hosted is very bland or ludicrous, so i dread to think what exactly one had to wear to be ridiculed back then

 

the good old days

 when vagrep was +100 and ed loved jane's toes

 rip ed

[merz]

It's like Michael gira singing 'feel pants now'

[SSchadenfreude]

Oh I c. What have u and yr ex sz comrades got goin? Fashionolgy? But u still emo tho, right!?!?

[merz]

I've got that Indian summer 7" on repeat just for you

[Serge]

i hate how fast the conversation moves here. i wanted to shit on merz's face.

[merz]

You have to get in the queue for the chance, anon.

[SSchadenfreude]

I've got that Indian summer 7" on repeat just for you

u must have got a full auto turntable.