Kicking Mule Workshop

[Leonard Leroy]

Definately 30. More so a 29. I'm the same height as you and a little under 10 pounds heavier, I kinda wish I sized down one.

[lupefiasco]

I've had the Japanese 1980s for a month now and I love the look and fit. Compared to my first pair of raw denim, the RRDS, these show little fading so far. I bought a 32 and there has been a decent amount of stretching, definitely more than with my RRDS, so I wish I had bought one size smaller, but I'm still very happy with this pair of jeans.

I am thinking of picking up the Rockers. Can anyone who has worn the 1980s compare the fit? How much tighter are the Rockers? (I plan to have children) Anyone have pics? Thanks.

[Leonard Leroy]

From what I've read and seen as well as tried on, the rockers are only different from the knee down to the 1980s. They just taper down with an inseam that is 2 inches longer than marked. Identical measurements from the knee up.

[lupefiasco]

so for identical waists, rockers will be 2" longer than the 1980s?

thanks.

[joey_formal]

correct. 10char.

[Leonard Leroy]

Ya, they're really nice. Look at my pictures on this page, just imagine they hug my legs below the knees with more stacking.

[apocalypse later]

Well, I just got a pair of these 1980s from Context yesterday. I'm normally a 32 waist, so I went with a 31. I absolutely love these things so far. Slim and fitting, but not nut-hugging. The absolute perfect fit I like.

[Leonard Leroy]

Ya, I like how they're relaxed in the crotch. I just got a pair of sammies in and now I know what raw jeans are all about in terms of my nuts.

[jines]

So what are the differences between the new Japan-made and older China runs? All I can see is the lack of patch on the old ones and of course the place of assembly, but aren the fabric and materials used identical?

[blm14]

So what are the differences between the new Japan-made and older China runs? All I can see is the lack of patch on the old ones and of course the place of assembly, but aren the fabric and materials used identical?

Natural indigo versus synthetic, for one.

[DJI]

Anyone able to compare the sizing of the Rockers compared to Skulls 5010XX?

[funkfunkfunk]

Yes indeed.

[Leonard Leroy]

Better picture of my now three month old KMW 1980s, sized up. I'm a 28-29 inch waist, these are size 30 with the inseam at 32, but since the jeans are worn really low on me (due to the loose waist measurement), there's some good breaking at the hem. When I bought them, 30 was my true waist, but I lost weight. I'm also more of a 34 natural inseam at 5'11, but it was my first foray into premium jeans, and I wasn't sure I liked stacking. I prefered just a slight break in the way one would wear their trousers. I really like the fit regardless of it being a tad big --- a relaxed, albeit slim fit.

I like to wear these jeans around barefoot, or in the backyard, or doing something physical because the hem doesn't drag on the floor. However, the denim quality is nice enough to dress up. I've been soaking them once a month because the sizing was bothering me... not so much anymore. I've only soaked them twice, and they hold indigo really really well. These have been abused... barely any fading.

[truestorytravis]

Leonard that's a good fit, especially considering your sizing situation. Do you find your KMW's to be softer than your other raw denims? I do, and I feel like that might contribute to the slow break-in. Thoughts?

[Leonard Leroy]

Well, my only other pair of raw denim are Samurai S5000VX which comparatively feel like a chain steel mesh to the KMWs. I haven't thought about the softer feel contributing to the slow fade, I blame it more on it being natural indigo. There's actually some fading in these jeans, but it could only be seen up close. I wonder if these end up with more of a greencast or redcast in the end...

[brentos]

Are the measurements for the 1950 AWA and the regular 1950 the same? I'm trying desperately to find measurements on the 1950's before I order them...Heh.

[Leonard Leroy]

I'm sure whoever you're ordering from will provide whatever measurements you need.

[brentos]

Oh, I know they will, but I figured the response from here would be quicker. I recently asked for measurements on a seperate pair and before they could reply, they were sold out. DenimBarOnline is just awfully swamped with their current sale going on, and I fully understand.

[truestorytravis]

I've only seen one pair of KMW's worn in but I don't recall noticing any pronounced red or green cast. Maybe sam113 or ryandenim could answer that because I saw them at Context.

edit. on further consideration, I think it was a green cast. would this memory be supported by the fact that these are natural indigo?

[Leonard Leroy]

Well, the raised areas on my 1980s around the crotch and backpocket look like they have a greencast, but I was just hoping with the red selvage and all that they would be redcast.

[truestorytravis]

selvage color doesn't affect the hue of the denim. also, i just remembered that the pair i saw at context were the chinese version so all bets are off as to the red/green thing.

[Leonard Leroy]

I know travis... It was just psychological. Hah.

[funkfunkfunk]

what's the weight of the 1980s?

[Leonard Leroy]

14/14.5 oz, one of those. It's pretty soft feeling though.

[truestorytravis]

gotcha. also, i thought that the 1980's were just slightly lighter than 14 oz, like 13.75. either way it is a relativley light feeling denim. buy 'em!

[azan]

KMW Rockers. Just trying the fit, a bit slim, I might return them for 1950's.

[Leonard Leroy]

They look great. What's the sizing on that?

[azan]

5'10 135lbs. 30X36

[Leonard Leroy]

What's your true waist? You might get some stretching on that, careful. My 1980s are loose in the seat right now.

[Ichigo100%]

azan, ur exactly my height and weight..now i know what size ill buy for KMV.

my waist size is 28-29 like leonards, but it seems both of u sized up one