NBA Basketball

[amardeep]

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never liked nate but he did work with his pull-up jumpers on fast breaks yesterday

[Christmas In A Submarine.]

wow that is sad, clippers got outplayed by b.roy and some nobodies.

you call them nobodies, the rest of us call them the Kevin Pritchard earning his fucking money. (just ask don nelson)

[andrewexd]

u mad ? Kevin pritchard also drafted greg oden. Go on and tell me how hes a better fit than Durant, keep lying to yourself.

[chantheman]

i cant hate on pritchard at all. he put together a young team thats deep after taking over the jailblazers. he put the blazers in a position to win for a long time. at the time oden was the missing piece for the blazers. they needed a big and drafted one. just too bad for him that he keeps getting hurt.

it was exactly what i was hoping petrie would be able to do with the kings and so far this season its looking like were on the right path.

same thing can be said for the thunder. sam presti has the thunder looking young and winning.

what are both the kings and thunder missing? big men. i guess the same can be said for the blazers since oden cant stay healthy. well kings are missing a real pg too but thats for another post

[Christmas In A Submarine.]

u mad ? Kevin pritchard also drafted greg oden. Go on and tell me how hes a better fit than Durant, keep lying to yourself.

I see what you did there: trying to pretend "better fit" is synonymous with "scores more points." But it's not.

[andrewexd]

the kings have Spencer Hawes and J Thompson, they just need more experience. Beno Udrih is ok, really like Omri Casspi (homo). The thunder need a post player, Jeff Green isn't really that guy.

[andrewexd]

I see what you did there: trying to pretend "better fit" is synonymous with "scores more points." But it's not.

D-wade would not be a good fit, so you would rather have Darko milicic ? ok then.

and on top of that hes played 82 out of a possible 240 games (assuming he doesnt play the rest of this season).

[Christmas In A Submarine.]

D-wade would not be a good fit, so you would rather have Darko milicic ? ok then.

and on top of that hes played 82 out of a possible 240 games (assuming he doesnt play the rest of this season).

you're right: pritchard should have known that oden was going to blow his knee up, twice...

I mean I'm more than happy to debate whether or not Oden is "a bust" (though I'd be happier to debate it at the end of next season) but if you watched him play this season it's pretty clear that if he's going to end up going down as a bad decision it's not because he's not kevin durant, it's because he has some fucked up knees.

also: was it just me or was kobe's heel clearly out of bounds on that final shot against sac?

[andrewexd]

yeah but that's the thing, the job of a GM is to make the right pick. Obviously its not Kwame Brown, Michael Olowokandi or Sam Bowies fault they were drafted #1. GMs / organizations are still blamed, despite the fact that they were #1 on every mock draft in the country (exaggeration). They get paid millions to make that decision so its on their shoulders. Does anyone really care that everyone thought Sam Bowie was supposed to be good ? no, they only care that Jordan became one of the best players of all time.

[domdomdomdom]

tThe thunder need a post player, Jeff Green isn't really that guy.

sad to say, they should probably trade him. he was a good fit when durant was slotted to be at sg, but since durant is more comfortable at sf, green gets pushed up.

[jaac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y_awwptf30

love the guy in red's face

[chantheman]

the kings have Spencer Hawes and J Thompson, they just need more experience. Beno Udrih is ok, really like Omri Casspi (homo). The thunder need a post player, Jeff Green isn't really that guy.

JT isnt a defensive presence. Hawes is turning into another Brad Miller, rather shoot 3's than play in the post. Kings need a low post presence and a defensive shot blocker

[chantheman]

yeah but that's the thing, the job of a GM is to make the right pick. Obviously its not Kwame Brown, Michael Olowokandi or Sam Bowies fault they were drafted #1. GMs / organizations are still blamed, despite the fact that they were #1 on every mock draft in the country (exaggeration). They get paid millions to make that decision so its on their shoulders. Does anyone really care that everyone thought Sam Bowie was supposed to be good ? no, they only care that Jordan became one of the best players of all time.

hindsights 20/20 so you cant sit here and say you would have picked durant first if you were the blazers GM. same can be said with the grizzlies picking thabeet #2 this year or the knicks passing on jennings for hill. shit happens and thats why they get paid a lot of money to be GMs. their heads are on the line to make the right call and if they dont they get the boot. (i.e. zeke in NY, matt millen for the lions)

[DaBestSpoona]

u mad ? Kevin pritchard also drafted greg oden. Go on and tell me how hes a better fit than Durant, keep lying to yourself.

I dont really follow the blazers but even I know why the blazers drafted oden. He was bpa, he was a beast in college, nba sized body, they needed frontcourt size, they had martell webster, outlaw, and roy they didnt need another sf/sg.

[andrewexd]

sad to say, they should probably trade him. he was a good fit when durant was slotted to be at sg, but since durant is more comfortable at sf, green gets pushed up.

Don't know if he should be traded but he's not a PF and Durant isn't a 6"10 guard either.

re: DaBestSpoona and chantheman

No, i'm not going to say I knew Durant would be better and that Oden would be injured all these games. But like I said, its hard to overlook Jordan whenever you talk about Bowie (not to compare). I would always go for the sure thing rather than need or potential. Scorers and Guards in general usually have a better transition to the NBA than big guys. In the last decade I think every 1st pick besides lebron was a Center/PF. Griffin, Oden, Bargani, Bogut, Howard, Yao, Kwame Brown. 2 out of 9 are all stars and the 6 out 9 (excluding Griffin since he hasn't played) have been outplayed by a lower pick and probably would be traded for that lower pick without much thought. Obviously this is just imo.

[chantheman]

forgot derrick rose

i get what your saying, but if you get that dominant big man with the #1 then you are set for years. its harder to find a legit big and when you have one you are an instant contender. is it worth the gamble, its up to the GM and based on the last 10 years it seems to be the consensus to take the gamble

[chantheman]

2002 only Nene or Amare would be worth trading for Yao and even then a healthy Yao is better than either one of them.

1 Yao Ming © China Houston Rockets Shanghai Sharks (China) 1980

2 Jay Williams (PG) United States Chicago Bulls Duke Jr.

3 Mike Dunleavy, Jr. (SF) United States Golden State Warriors Duke Jr.

4 Drew Gooden (PF) United States Memphis Grizzlies Kansas Jr.

5 Nikoloz Tskitishvili (F/C) Georgia Denver Nuggets Benetton Treviso (Italy) 1983

6 Dajuan Wagner (G) United States Cleveland Cavaliers Memphis Fr.

7 Nenê Hilario (PF) Brazil New York Knicks (traded to Denver)[7] Vasco da Gama (Brazil) 1982

8 Chris Wilcox (F/C) United States Los Angeles Clippers (from Atlanta) Maryland So.

9 Amar'e Stoudemire (F/C) United States Phoenix Suns Cypress Creek HS (Orlando, Florida) HS Sr.

10 Caron Butler (SF) United States Miami Heat Connecticut So.

11 Jared Jeffries (F) United States Washington Wizards Indiana So.

12 Melvin Ely (PF) United States Los Angeles Clippers Fresno State Sr.

13 Marcus Haislip (PF) United States Milwaukee Bucks Tennessee Jr.

14 Fred Jones (SG) United States Indiana Pacers Oregon Sr.

15 Boštjan Nachbar (SF) Slovenia Houston Rockets (from Toronto) Benetton Treviso (Italy) 1980

16 Jiri Welsch (G/F) Czech Republic Philadelphia 76ers (traded to Golden State) Union Olimpija (Slovenia and Adriatic League) 1980

17 Juan Dixon (G) United States Washington Wizards (from New Orleans) Maryland Sr.

18 Curtis Borchardt © United States Orlando Magic (traded to Utah) Stanford Jr.

19 Ryan Humphrey (PF) United States Utah Jazz (traded to Orlando) Notre Dame Sr.

20 Kareem Rush (SG) United States Toronto Raptors (from Seattle via New York, traded to Los Angeles Lakers) Missouri Jr.

21 Qyntel Woods (SF) United States Portland Trail Blazers NE Mississippi CC So.

22 Casey Jacobsen (SG) United States Phoenix Suns (from Boston) Stanford Jr.

23 Tayshaun Prince (SF) United States Detroit Pistons Kentucky Sr.

24 Nenad Krstić (F/C) Yugoslavia New Jersey Nets Partizan Belgrade (Sinalco Superleague and Adriatic League) 1983

25 Frank Williams (PG) United States Denver Nuggets (from Dallas, traded to New York)[7] Illinois Jr.

26 John Salmons (G/F) United States San Antonio Spurs (traded to Philadelphia) Miami Sr.

27 Chris Jefferies (SF) United States Los Angeles Lakers (traded to Toronto) Fresno State Jr.

28 Dan Dickau (PG) United States Sacramento Kings (traded to Atlanta) Gonzaga Sr.

[chantheman]

2004 Dwight Howard wouldnt get traded for anyone under him

1 1 Howard, DwightDwight Howard (F/C) United States Orlando Magic Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy (Atlanta, GA) HSSr.

1 2 Okafor, Emeka Emeka Okafor (PF/C) United States Charlotte Bobcats (from L.A. Clippers)[6] UConn Jr.

1 3 Gordon, Ben Ben Gordon (G) United States

United Kingdom[7] Chicago Bulls UConn Jr.

1 4 Livingston, Shaun Shaun Livingston (PG) United States Los Angeles Clippers (from Charlotte)[6] Peoria HS (Peoria, IL) HSSr.

1 5 Harris, Devin Devin Harris (G) United States Washington Wizards (traded to Dallas)[8] Wisconsin Jr.

1 6 Childress, Josh Josh Childress (G/F) United States Atlanta Hawks Stanford Jr.

1 7 Deng, Luol Luol Deng (SF) Sudan

United Kingdom[9]

Phoenix Suns (traded to Chicago)[10] Duke Fr.

1 8 Araújo, Rafael Rafael Araújo © Brazil Toronto Raptors BYU Sr.

1 9 Iguodala, Andrew Andre Iguodala (G/F) United States Philadelphia 76ers Arizona So.

1 10 Jackson, Luke Luke Jackson (SF) United States Cleveland Cavaliers Oregon Sr.

1 11 Biedriņš, Andris Andris Biedriņš (F/C) Latvia Golden State Warriors BK Skonto Riga (Latvia) 1986

1 12 Swift, Robert Robert Swift (F/C) United States Seattle SuperSonics Bakersfield HS (Bakersfield, CA) HSSr.

1 13 Telfair, Sebastian Sebastian Telfair (PG) United States Portland Trail Blazers Lincoln HS (Brooklyn, NY) HSSr.

1 14 Humphries, Kris Kris Humphries (F) United States Utah Jazz Minnesota Fr.

1 15 Jefferson, Al Al Jefferson (PF) United States Boston Celtics Prentiss High School (Prentiss, MS) HSSr.

1 16 Snyder, Kirk Kirk Snyder (SG) United States Utah Jazz (from New York via Phoenix)[11] Nevada Jr.

1 17 Smith, Josh Josh Smith (SF) United States Atlanta Hawks (from Milwaukee via Denver and Detroit)[12][13] Oak Hill Academy (Mouth of Wilson, VA) HSSr.

1 18 Smith, J. R. J. R. Smith (SG) United States New Orleans Hornets St. Benedict's Prep (Newark, NJ) HSSr.

1 19 Wright, Dorell Dorell Wright (SF) United States Miami Heat South Kent Prep (Connecticut) HSSr.

1 20 Nelson, Jameer Jameer Nelson (PG) United States Denver Nuggets (traded to Orlando)[14] Saint Joseph's Sr.

1 21 Podkolzin, Pavel Pavel Podkolzin © Russia Utah Jazz (from Houston,[15] traded to Dallas)[16] Metis Varese (Italy) 1985

1 22 Khryapa, Viktor Viktor Khryapa (SF) Russia New Jersey Nets (traded to Portland)[17] CSKA Moscow (Russia) 1982

1 23 Monia, Sergei Sergei Monia (SG) Russia Portland Trail Blazers (from Memphis)[18] CSKA Moscow (Russia) 1983

1 24 West, Delonte Delonte West (PG) United States Boston Celtics (from Dallas)[19] Saint Joseph's Jr.

1 25 Allen, Tony Tony Allen (SG) United States Boston Celtics (from Detroit)[13] Oklahoma State Sr.

1 26 Martin, Kevin Kevin Martin (SG) United States Sacramento Kings Western Carolina Jr.

1 27 Vujačić, Saša Saša Vujačić (SG) Slovenia Los Angeles Lakers Snaidero Udine (Italy) 1984

1 28 Udrih, Beno Beno Udrih (PG) Slovenia San Antonio Spurs Breil Milano (Italy) 1982

1 29 Harrison, David David Harrison © United States Indiana Pacers Colorado Jr.

2 30 Varejão, Anderson Anderson Varejão (PF) Brazil Orlando Magic (traded to Cleveland)[20] FC Barcelona (Spain) 1982

2 31 Vroman, Jackson Jackson Vroman © United States Chicago Bulls (traded to Phoenix)[10] Iowa State Sr.

2 32 Ramos, Peter John Peter John Ramos © Puerto Rico Washington Wizards Caguas (Puerto Rico) 1985

[chantheman]

2006 Roy

1 1 Andrea Bargnani F Italy Toronto Raptors Benetton Treviso (Italy) 1985

1 2 LaMarcus Aldridge F United States Chicago Bulls (from New York, traded to Portland)[o][a] Texas So.

1 3 Adam Morrison F United States Charlotte Bobcats Gonzaga Jr.

1 4 Tyrus Thomas F United States Portland Trail Blazers (traded to Chicago)[a] LSU Fr.

1 5 Shelden Williams F United States Atlanta Hawks Duke Sr.

1 6 Brandon Roy G United States Minnesota Timberwolves (traded to Portland) Washington Sr.

1 7 Randy Foye G United States Boston Celtics (traded to Minnesota via Portland) Villanova Sr.

1 8 Rudy Gay F United States Houston Rockets (traded to Memphis)[c] Connecticut So.

1 9 Patrick O'Bryant C United States Golden State Warriors Bradley So.

1 10 Mouhamed Sene F Senegal Seattle SuperSonics Verviers-Pepinster (Belgium) 1986

1 11 J. J. Redick G United States Orlando Magic Duke Sr.

1 12 Hilton Armstrong C United States New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets Connecticut Sr.

1 13 Thabo Sefolosha G Switzerland Philadelphia 76ers (traded to Chicago)[d] Angelico Biella (Italy) 1984

1 14 Ronnie Brewer G United States Utah Jazz Arkansas Jr.

1 15 Cedric Simmons F United States New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets (from Milwaukee)[p] NC State So.

1 16 Rodney Carney F United States Chicago Bulls (traded to Philadelphia)[d] Memphis Sr.

1 17 Shawne Williams F United States Indiana Pacers Memphis Fr.

1 18 Oleksiy Pecherov C Ukraine Washington Wizards BC Kyiv (Ukraine) 1985

1 19 Quincy Douby G United States Sacramento Kings Rutgers Jr.

1 20 Renaldo Balkman F United States New York Knicks (from Denver via New Jersey and Toronto)[q] South Carolina Jr.

1 21 Rajon Rondo G United States Phoenix Suns (from L.A. Lakers via Boston and Atlanta, traded to Boston)[r][e] Kentucky So.

1 22 Marcus Williams G United States New Jersey Nets (from L.A. Clippers via Orlando and Denver) Connecticut Jr.

1 23 Josh Boone F United States New Jersey Nets Connecticut Jr.

1 24 Kyle Lowry G United States Memphis Grizzlies Villanova So.

1 25 Shannon Brown G United States Cleveland Cavaliers Michigan State Jr.

1 26 Jordan Farmar G United States Los Angeles Lakers (from Miami)[t] UCLA So.

1 27 Sergio Rodríguez G Spain Phoenix Suns (traded to Portland)[f] Adecco Estudiantes (Spain) 1986

1 28 Maurice Ager G United States Dallas Mavericks Michigan State Sr.

1 29 Mardy Collins G United States New York Knicks (from San Antonio) Temple Sr.

1 30 Joel Freeland F United Kingdom Portland Trail Blazers (from Detroit via Utah)[v] Gran Canaria (Spain) 1987

[chantheman]

2000 Kenyon as sorry as he is probably wouldnt get traded for anyone under him except Crawford. majority arent even in the league anymore. just overall a bad year to have the #1 pick

1 Kenyon Martin (PF) United States New Jersey Nets Cincinnati Sr.

2 Stromile Swift (PF/C) United States Vancouver Grizzlies LSU So.

3 Darius Miles (SF/SG) United States Los Angeles Clippers East St. Louis HS (East St. Louis, IL) HSSr.

4 Marcus Fizer (PF) United States Chicago Bulls Iowa State Jr.

5 Mike Miller (SF/SG) United States Orlando Magic Florida So.

6 DerMarr Johnson (SG/SF) United States Atlanta Hawks Cincinnati Fr.

7 Chris Mihm (C/PF) United States Chicago Bulls (traded to Cleveland for Jamal Crawford and cash) Texas Jr.

8 Jamal Crawford (SG) United States Cleveland Cavaliers (traded to Chicago with cash for Chris Mihm) Michigan Fr.

9 Joel Przybilla © United States Houston Rockets (traded to Milwaukee for Jason Collier and a future first-round pick) Minnesota So.

10 Keyon Dooling (SG) United States Orlando Magic (from Denver, traded to L.A. Clippers with Corey Maggette, Derek Strong and cash for a future first-round pick) Missouri So.

11 Jérome Moïso (PF) France Boston Celtics UCLA So.

12 Etan Thomas (PF/C) United States Dallas Mavericks Syracuse Sr.

13 Courtney Alexander (SG) United States Orlando Magic (traded to Dallas for a future first-round pick and cash) Fresno State Sr.

14 Mateen Cleaves (PG) United States Detroit Pistons Michigan State Sr.

15 Jason Collier © United States Milwaukee Bucks (traded with future first-round pick to Houston for Joel Przybilla) Georgia Tech Sr.

16 Hedo Türkoğlu (SF) Turkey Sacramento Kings Efes Pilsen (Turkey) 1979

17 Desmond Mason (SF/SG) United States Seattle SuperSonics Oklahoma State Sr.

18 Quentin Richardson (SF/SG) United States Los Angeles Clippers (from Toronto via Atlanta, Philadelphia and New York) DePaul So.

19 Jamaal Magloire © Canada Charlotte Hornets Kentucky Sr.

20 Speedy Claxton (PG) United States Philadelphia 76ers Hofstra Sr.

21 Morris Peterson (SF/SG) United States Toronto Raptors (from Minnesota) Michigan State Sr.

22 Donnell Harvey (SF) United States New York Knicks (traded with John Wallace to Dallas for Erick Strickland and Pete Mickeal) Florida Fr.

23 DeShawn Stevenson (SG) United States Utah Jazz (from Miami) Washington Union HS (Fresno, CA) HSSr.

24 Dalibor Bagarić © Croatia Chicago Bulls (from San Antonio) Benston Zagreb (Croatia) 1980

25 Iakovos "Jake" Tsakalidis © Greece Phoenix Suns AEK (Greece) 1979

26 Mamadou N'Diaye © Senegal Denver Nuggets (from Utah) Auburn Sr.

27 Primož Brezec © Slovenia Indiana Pacers Union Olimpija (Slovenia) 1979

28 Erick Barkley (PG) United States Portland Trail Blazers St. John's So.

29 Mark Madsen (PF) United States Los Angeles Lakers Stanford Sr.

[DaBestSpoona]

Kmart was a beast in nj, but all those years in nj of trying to dunk everything ruined his knees.

[DaBestSpoona]

Nate came back to earth with his 2-11 shooting, but the knicks won 132-89 against the pacers

[Christmas In A Submarine.]

for me, the proof that pritchard is doing a good job comes back to what started all of this draft talk: "b.roy and a bunch of nobodies" are beating up on some elite teams. Maybe Oden was a bad pick, only time will tell, but it's clear KP's plethora of good decisions outweigh his potentially few.

(oh, and I fully count Andre Miller coming to portland as a bad decision. I love the guy, and I know our record wouldn't be what it is right now without him, but I think at the time he was picked up it was unnecessary and sent the wrong message to the team in terms of the expectation that they would be making a deep playoff run because of the addition of one guy)

[andrewexd]

not to discredit KP, but the clippers have always been underachievers. The team is loaded with talent, no reason to be 14-18. Should've fired dunleavy a long ass time ago. rematch tonight so we'll see.

[LandoCal126]

Random question but what's the word on Francisco Garcia? Heard he may be making an early return. Any Sac fans got any inside info?

[chantheman]

hopefully he never comes back. kings have enough wing players.

havent heard anything to say hes behind schedule so i would expect hes on track to come back whenever that might be.

[chantheman]

just a terrible draft pool overall that year. K-Mart intimidated the shit out of people in college.

[DaBestSpoona]

Playing with Jason Kidd made him look much much better than

he actually was and made him earn a ridiculous max contract

that a player of his caliber doesn't deserve.

He basically lived off running the fastbreak with Kidd and his limited

post moves and declining athleticism and unfortunate injuries exposed his true flaws. Not to mention his rebounding rate is one of the worst

in the NBA at his position.

you could also say he pulled a Larry Hughes\Eric Dampier

[Christmas In A Submarine.]

dang, gil suspended on his birthday? not surprised though...

[DaBestSpoona]

dang, gil suspended on his birthday? not surprised though...