samurai denim contest [pics]

[swooc]

i wouldn't be suprised when you guys need to randomly pick a winner out of a hat. shit is too damn hard to decide which is best.

[seanfromiran]

Get off cheep's nuts! Horribly my favorite part about your jeans is that pocket bag fade on the left leg among the whiskers.

[horriblyjollyjinx]

Now I need to find a pair of jeans to match my armchair

Samurai AI?

[giantsdrink]

Agreed - wallet fade is sick...

Seconded.

HJJ could you post a bigger shot of that pocket? Maybe a close up? I want to see that button hole in more detail.

Oh and is that your Samurai wallet you've been using?

[poly800rock]

here they are. the colors aren't right, but they never are. they're also darker than this.

I only washed them in 40*C, so they didn't lose much color. The thighs and seat are now more blue and less grey because they got cleaner.

Will probably wash them in 60*C on the 1st of November.

what i really like in HJJ vs. someone like cheep's or mine is that HJJ got a really contrasted fade which comes without washing, which both me and cheep admitedly do, maybe a bit too often for me. either way, i think everyone has really nice jeans.

about the color HJJ, try taking a pic on the grass, that way the grey doesn't mess up the picture contrast.

[Dick Danger]

So who came up with this idea? It was good fucking idea, if I knew who you were I'd buy you a beer.

[merzbot]

smack the gong hjj!

[Dick Danger]

errr whaaa?

dude rehost it's easy and then I won't have to prey that you get run over by a bus

[rnrswitch]

HJJ, Got to say those are some amazing jeans. This contest has truly brought out some of the best fades and in the mean time has boosted Samurai's rep. I think Samurai owes a few free pairs of jeans.

[horriblyjollyjinx]

maybe some day you'll be able to get paid for wearing jeans.

[bonanz]

those do have a similar overall fade to the grail eternals... nice work

[Cameland]

They dont look much different after a wash, but they still look great HJJ.

I really like the back.

[rnrswitch]

Cold washes don't typically lose too much indigo.

[Tommyhibbs]

So does this mean that now we know the secret recipe to achieve the holy grail? Nice work HJJ.

[Charlie Delta]

Cold washes don't typically lose too much indigo.

ringring post in another thread.

But here's a generic suggestion for your consideration.

Just pop them into your bathtub and soak them in 2-3 changes of water. Cold, warm, whatever. Indigo isn't water soluble, so you'll just release the excess that isn't fixed onto the yarn. That should help the bleeding somewhat.

Indigo being indigo, will, however continue to crock off.

So what's the deal exactly?

[cheep]

all i know is the dark parts of my sams are still almost as dark as my one wash 660s, and the sams have been washed hot at least 10 times.

[gimmegimme]

Its been my understanding that, as ringring said, indigo isn't water soluble, so it won't be released from the fibres unless there's agitation...regardless of water temperature.

The only significant indigo loss I've seen from my jeans is when they're being washed, not soaked....and even then, most quality jeans have enough indigo to last.

I think the only difference hot/cold water makes is with shrinkage.

[Chicken]

my guess is that hot water WILL accelerate the agitation process, therefore helping it release indigo when being washed.

when not being washed, assuming there is zero agitation, then hot or cold shouldn't affect indigo loss.

again, purely my guess.

[tigger]

HJJ gets my vote for now!

[Blackplatano]

Chicken.

Isn't the eternal grail guy wearing the texas samurai's too?

How are his jeans going?

[Chicken]

i haven't seen any pics, but it sounds like he's been busy and it's been going rather slowly. he seems to be ready to move on to sufu660s already.

[salaami]

from what i can tell, since indigo isnt water soluble, just a lot of washing will not fade your jeans, if you arent wearing them a lot. weve all heard about a certain repro denim house( i believe flathead, please correct me if otherwise) in which a contest was held between the president/ceo, a mid-manager, and a mailroom/menial worker( someone who isnt just sitting on their ass all day). the president admitted to frequent washing to try to accellerate the wear process, but it didnt work. like cheep said, these jeans only fade where worn, as quality rope dyed warp threads should. this is why theyre hot. keep in mind that hot water has more energy than cold water, and the propensity for it to disolve foreign substances is increased as well. thats why i wash in really hot water, to kill germs, remove more dirt, and to make em fit better.

[Dex_star]

........... ok

[Blackplatano]

from what i can tell, since indigo isnt water soluble, just a lot of washing will not fade your jeans, if you arent wearing them a lot. weve all heard about a certain repro denim house( i believe flathead, please correct me if otherwise) in which a contest was held between the president/ceo, a mid-manager, and a mailroom/menial worker( someone who isnt just sitting on their ass all day). the president admitted to frequent washing to try to accellerate the wear process, but it didnt work. like cheep said, these jeans only fade where worn, as quality rope dyed warp threads should. this is why theyre hot. keep in mind that hot water has more energy than cold water, and the propensity for it to disolve foreign substances is increased as well. thats why i wash in really hot water, to kill germs, remove more dirt, and to make em fit better.

Honestly, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

If you start using space every couple of lines instead of writting one big ass paragraph, your post will be more readable.

[Seething Tortoise]

Not normally one for Cheep fellatio, but his Sams sure are nice.

[ringring]

Its been my understanding that, as ringring said, indigo isn't water soluble, so it won't be released from the fibres unless there's agitation...regardless of water temperature.

The only significant indigo loss I've seen from my jeans is when they're being washed, not soaked....and even then, most quality jeans have enough indigo to last.

I think the only difference hot/cold water makes is with shrinkage.

Indigo is only soluble in a strong alkaline solution, hence the use of lime (calcium hydroxide, not the stuff you squirt on a pad thai), sodium hydroxide (caustic soda) or urine, in indigo vats.

Water will help carry the loose indigo away (as well as dirt etc), and the abrasion of denim against the drum of a washing machine (and other garments) will also accelerate colour loss. Hence the use of pumice stones in stonewashing. Enzymes and bleaching agents found in common detergents will also aid faster indigo removal.

[Charlie Delta]

Would it then be ok to say that the indigo that has come loose from the thread because of abriasion/wear will come off when washed (and only when agitated like in a washing machine), but the actual temperature of the water has nothing to do with this?

[Chicken]

(calcium hydroxide, not the stuff you squirt on a pad thai)

thank goodness. i was going to get really nervous next time i was eating thai food.

so would hot water also aid the carrying the indigo away from the fabric moreso than cold water? (faster molecular movements with warmer temperature.)

[ringring]

I think hot water will help remove the oils and grease, which may be sticking some indigo that isn't really stuck

Hot water will also have a higher saturation point for detergents (although some are now designed to work in cooler water) - again, making the detergents more effecient in helping to lift the grease.

Molecular science is not my specialist subject

Think of water being like a river carrying away the silt. Which of course it (a river, that is) is

[rnrswitch]

On the molecular level, The kinetic energy of the water molecule increases from colder to hotter, allowing for loose indigo molecules to be released easier. Also, just because indigo is concidered unsoluble in water does not mean that no molecules are actually dissolved in the water. As temperatures rise solubility rises... no matter what the molecule is. Oil will dissolve into water if the right enzymes/catalysts are used.