White's Horse Hide/Shell Cordovan group order

[edmond]

He photoshopped it

[rnrswitch]

From a very reliable source that julian is a faux bootmaker he used to talk to viberg and asks them if they can subcontract the shoes, but it didnt come thru cause julian is not doind it like a Good businessman so to cut the story short hes not a bootmaker like who really says he is and he said he was schooled in england and the bootmaker from viberg

Checked him out but no , no julian was ever schooled there. Anyways now his boots are made by some mexican in a small sweat shop

I really hope you have your facts straight, because if you don't, you just soured Julian's name to a pretty large audience. No big deal, but he seems like a hardworking dude making a nice product.

Just as a side. Does Brett Viberg also make all his boots or does he have workers doing it as well?

I might need to run by his shop.

[edmond]

In prettt sure. Hes dad and brother mAkes the boots and a couple of guys and machine well at least brett didnt say tgat he makes boots he just sells boots not like julian

[el duderino]

If you actually handle a pair of Julians boots it should be obvious that they are overpriced. Nice looking boots but questionable workmanship and no quality control

[kiya]

From a very reliable source that julian is a faux bootmaker he used to talk to viberg and asks them if they can subcontract the shoes, but it didnt come thru cause julian is not doind it like a Good businessman so to cut the story short hes not a bootmaker like who really says he is and he said he was schooled in england and the bootmaker from viberg

Checked him out but no , no julian was ever schooled there. Anyways now his boots are made by some mexican in a small sweat shop

You just blew it up.

[edmond]

People should know what theyre up against

[rnrswitch]

You just blew it up.

So are the MF boots overpriced? Those were made by Julian right?

[kiya]

So are the MF boots overpriced? Those were made by Julian right?

Price is an extremely subjective topic which i rarely care to comment on.

[edmond]

True and it went thru another company actually 2 company after julian

[rnrswitch]

Price is an extremely subjective topic which i rarely care to comment on.

Well, to me, it seemed like you agreed with most of what demonito said about Julian's business practices and boot making skills, but I do remember you defending MF when it came to the quality of the boots in one of the many shit fests that I was the center of in the MF thread. Either Julian makes boots that you think are quality or he doesn't. Which one is it?

I might have mis-interpreted your "blew it up" comment.

[zr0e]

Getting way off topic. Any update on the price?

[fre-co]

This thread just got interesting again....

[SLAB]

I agree^ more info about Julian and the MF boots pls:D

[rnrswitch]

Rnrswitch if not too late:

Service boot exactly like pictured in the blog, but in #8

Leather: #8Cordo

Style of Boot: Service boot on blog

Hieveryone:

Leather: Horsehide or Black Chromexcel

Sole: Vibram 430

Midsole: single Natural

Style of Boot: 10 inch Engineer; Standard Toe

Two tone: No

Other: Roller Buckles

thelion1856:

leather: natural

sole: single leather

midsole: double natural color

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ plain toe

two tone?: NO

other: brass eyelets

Fresco:

Leather: Black Horsehide

Sole: half sole (cats paw/vibram) 8 stitch.

Midsole: Single natural

Style: Engineer with low profile toebox (like the shell cordovan sample)

Two tone: no

Other: brass roller buckles, cats paw heels?, single celastic toe. No logo on front if possible.

Oh i'm sorry! Here is the list now:

quote:

originally posted by mctaran view post

leather: #8 shell cordovan (or black sc)

sole: vibram 700

midsole: single, natural edge

style of boot: sevice boot, Nickel Eyelets, cut top. Exactly like this one:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...539 708_n.jpg

two tone ? : nope

Other details:

Celastic toe (not sure if its single or double on picture)

So it's the same boot like on the picture, but in shell cordovan.

quote:

originally posted by BrownMetallic view post

leather: Black HH [Japanese]

sole: Vibram 705 half sole [composite] + Cat's Paw heels

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot **Perforated Cap Toes

two tone ? : no

Other details:

_ close trimmed + natural finished edges

_ Single Celastic toe

_ Red leather lined interior

_ All Nickel eyelets

quote:

originally posted by entropy kid view post

leather: black HH

sole: Double leather (natural) with Topy

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot / plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by rayw44 view post

My turn:

Leather Black Horsehide (Japanese)

Sole: leather (natural)

Midsole: Single (natural), so two pieces for the leather sole total

Style: Engineer with slim profile service boot toebox (from the blog)

Two tone: no

Other: No pull straps on the back, brass roller buckles (I'll provide them if Brett can't get them), no toe reinforcement, and if we have the option of Cat's Paw heels I would like them (but if not, no big deal)

I missed Aquaphor's at first, here it is:

Leather: Black Horsehide

Sole: Vibram 705 (Half Sole)

midsole: Single

Style of boot: 6" service boot plain toe (new slim style)

Two tone ? : No

Heel: Preferably Cat's Paws

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All Antique eyelets

Riff:

leather: black HH

sole: Double leather (natural) with Topy

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last recently on the blog) w/ plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by rgray view post

leather: black chromexcel

sole: vibram 2021

midsole: single natural

style of boot: short shift, service boot toe box

other: viberg logo on the front, roller buckles, pull tab, leather lining, flat top

(same idea as the viberXchallenger boot on the blog)

originally posted by SLAB

leather: Brown "mocha" chrome excel leather

sole: Vibram 705 composition half sole (preferably cats paws!)

midsole: Single natural

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ perforated cap toe

two tone ? : no

Other details:

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior (tan)

antique eyelets and hooks (if Viberg offers this color)

originally posted by lostinthesupermarket Sooo....

leather: black horsehide

sole: Vibram 435 half sole

midsole: single natural.

style of boot: engineer with standard toebox

two tone?: No

Other: roller buckles

quote:

originally posted by Momokun leather: Black Cordovan

sole: Vibram 269

midsole: Single

style of boot: service boot on the thinner new last. (Like the one on the blog)

two tone: no

Other: rolled top.

brass eyelets

quote:

originally posted by PeterParker leather: Brown "mocha" calfskin

sole: Vibram 705 composition half sole

midsole: Single

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details:

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by morse9443 leather: brown chromex

sole: single leather

midsole: single natural.

toe: double celastic

style of boot: 6" service boot

two tone?: No

Other: pull tab

Price ?

quote:

originally posted by demonito leather: black horsehide ( japanese)

sole: vibram 435

midsole: double natural color

style of boot: engineer with standard toebox worker toebox

two tone?; NO

quote:

originally posted by Tiro

leather: Brown "mocha" chrome excel leather (that's what kiya has right?)

sole: cats paws (up front and on the heel)

midsole: Single natural

style of boot: 6" service boot on the new last (the one from the blog picture)

two tone ? : no

other: leather lining

[Paul T]

THe more the merrier, or the better the deal, I hope.

SMittybat: a maybe on this

leather: black HorseHide

sole: Single leather (natural)

midsole: Single (natural)

style: semi dress like this - http://vibergboot.files.wordpress.co...er-boots-5.jpg

Aso2004

Leather: brown chromex / black HH with toecap non perf.

sole: single leather or cat paw

midsole: single natural.

style of boot: 6" service boot

Other: pull tab

Nickel eyelets for the brown

copper ones for theblac

Price difference between the HH an chromexc

Headsistails: Depending on the price of course....

leather: black HH

sole: vibram 705 nailed down

midsole: double natural

style of boot: 9" engineer w/ standard toe box

other: challenger collab style top w/ pull strap on back, no celastic toe box, brass hardware

Paul T

leather: black horsehide

sole: Double leather (natural) with Topy

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: service boot with "new" last, as on blog

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Unlined interior - if that's practical

Cut top

Eyelets and other details as on blog pair

[Rnrswitch

Service boot exactly like pictured in the blog, but in #8

Leather: #8Cordo

Style of Boot: Service boot on blog

Hieveryone:

Leather: Horsehide or Black Chromexcel

Sole: Vibram 430

Midsole: single Natural

Style of Boot: 10 inch Engineer; Standard Toe

Two tone: No

Other: Roller Buckles

thelion1856:

leather: natural

sole: single leather

midsole: double natural color

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ plain toe

two tone?: NO

other: brass eyelets

Fresco:

Leather: Black Horsehide

Sole: half sole (cats paw/vibram) 8 stitch.

Midsole: Single natural

Style: Engineer with low profile toebox (like the shell cordovan sample)

Two tone: no

Other: brass roller buckles, cats paw heels?, single celastic toe. No logo on front if possible.

Oh i'm sorry! Here is the list now:

quote:

originally posted by mctaran view post

leather: #8 shell cordovan (or black sc)

sole: vibram 700

midsole: single, natural edge

style of boot: sevice boot, Nickel Eyelets, cut top. Exactly like this one:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...539 708_n.jpg

two tone ? : nope

Other details:

Celastic toe (not sure if its single or double on picture)

So it's the same boot like on the picture, but in shell cordovan.

quote:

originally posted by BrownMetallic view post

leather: Black HH [Japanese]

sole: Vibram 705 half sole [composite] + Cat's Paw heels

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot **Perforated Cap Toes

two tone ? : no

Other details:

_ close trimmed + natural finished edges

_ Single Celastic toe

_ Red leather lined interior

_ All Nickel eyelets

quote:

originally posted by entropy kid view post

leather: black HH

sole: Double leather (natural) with Topy

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot / plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by rayw44 view post

My turn:

Leather Black Horsehide (Japanese)

Sole: leather (natural)

Midsole: Single (natural), so two pieces for the leather sole total

Style: Engineer with slim profile service boot toebox (from the blog)

Two tone: no

Other: No pull straps on the back, brass roller buckles (I'll provide them if Brett can't get them), no toe reinforcement, and if we have the option of Cat's Paw heels I would like them (but if not, no big deal)

I missed Aquaphor's at first, here it is:

Leather: Black Horsehide

Sole: Vibram 705 (Half Sole)

midsole: Single

Style of boot: 6" service boot plain toe (new slim style)

Two tone ? : No

Heel: Preferably Cat's Paws

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All Antique eyelets

Riff:

leather: black HH

sole: Double leather (natural) with Topy

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last recently on the blog) w/ plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by rgray view post

leather: black chromexcel

sole: vibram 2021

midsole: single natural

style of boot: short shift, service boot toe box

other: viberg logo on the front, roller buckles, pull tab, leather lining, flat top

(same idea as the viberXchallenger boot on the blog)

originally posted by SLAB

leather: Brown "mocha" chrome excel leather

sole: Vibram 705 composition half sole (preferably cats paws!)

midsole: Single natural

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ perforated cap toe

two tone ? : no

Other details:

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior (tan)

antique eyelets and hooks (if Viberg offers this color)

originally posted by lostinthesupermarket Sooo....

leather: black horsehide

sole: Vibram 435 half sole

midsole: single natural.

style of boot: engineer with standard toebox

two tone?: No

Other: roller buckles

quote:

originally posted by Momokun leather: Black Cordovan

sole: Vibram 269

midsole: Single

style of boot: service boot on the thinner new last. (Like the one on the blog)

two tone: no

Other: rolled top.

brass eyelets

quote:

originally posted by PeterParker leather: Brown "mocha" calfskin

sole: Vibram 705 composition half sole

midsole: Single

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details:

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by morse9443 leather: brown chromex

sole: single leather

midsole: single natural.

toe: double celastic

style of boot: 6" service boot

two tone?: No

Other: pull tab

Price ?

quote:

originally posted by demonito leather: black horsehide ( japanese)

sole: vibram 435

midsole: double natural color

style of boot: engineer with standard toebox worker toebox

two tone?; NO

quote:

originally posted by Tiro

leather: Brown "mocha" chrome excel leather (that's what kiya has right?)

sole: cats paws (up front and on the heel)

midsole: Single natural

style of boot: 6" service boot on the new last (the one from the blog picture)

two tone ? : no

other: leather lining

[SLAB]

approaching 20 entries!

[rayw44]

approaching 20 entries!

Actually rnr and paul t missed the entries from aso2004, smittybat and headsistails, so by my count we are already at 22!

[Paul T]

Actually rnr and paul t missed the entries from aso2004, smittybat and headsistails, so by my count we are already at 22!

I'd like to apologise for rnr's error. Fixed.

[rayw44]

Sorry, UI'll edit and add, shouldna relied on rnr.

Haha, well it's no problem, I just wanted to show that we are over 20 (since that's probably pretty good for the bottom line).

[rnrswitch]

Well, I am not positive on this buy, but if the price is pretty good and my xmas bonus is better, then these are in my future.

[edmond]

quoting brett

when a customer emailed him and told him how shitty julians are for their price

Hi Brett,

I was wondering if you make MTO boots and how much customization is allowed. I was looking to get a burgundy cordovan service boot and saw a pic on your blog of a last that looks close to what I am looking for:

http://vibergboot.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/cordovan1.jpg

I was hoping to have a custom pair of boots made similar to these. I've gone through 3 pairs of these boots all with different defects and have given up at this point as the workmanship/quality control is awful. You can click on the pics for larger versions:

http://prettyprettygood.net/boot/

[rnrswitch]

quoting brett

when a customer emailed him and told him how shitty julians are for their price

I hope we're not just going off of this dude's email. It is funny that this dude would go back 3 times with the same result each time.

Also, I have no clue how crappy Julian's boots are and I have no experience with them other than holding a brand new pair in my hands and they looked, felt, and smelled phenomenal.

Maybe if we can get some pics of Julian boots ripping apart or something or some testimonials. I just don't want to go around defaming somebody, because some dude had a bad experience.

[edmond]

i dont know man im just showing and telling people what i hear and what people are telling not for me to judge but just fro me to inform people what i hear you guys be the judge

[Madmax]

Madmax

Leather: black horsehide (japanese)

Sole: vibram 705 half sole

Midsole: single natural

Style: 6 inch engineer, short-shift boot

Two-tone: no

Other: roller buckles, close trim sole

THe more the merrier, or the better the deal, I hope.

SMittybat: a maybe on this

leather: black HorseHide

sole: Single leather (natural)

midsole: Single (natural)

style: semi dress like this - http://vibergboot.files.wordpress.co...er-boots-5.jpg

Aso2004

Leather: brown chromex / black HH with toecap non perf.

sole: single leather or cat paw

midsole: single natural.

style of boot: 6" service boot

Other: pull tab

Nickel eyelets for the brown

copper ones for theblac

Price difference between the HH an chromexc

Headsistails: Depending on the price of course....

leather: black HH

sole: vibram 705 nailed down

midsole: double natural

style of boot: 9" engineer w/ standard toe box

other: challenger collab style top w/ pull strap on back, no celastic toe box, brass hardware

Paul T

leather: black horsehide

sole: Double leather (natural) with Topy

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: service boot with "new" last, as on blog

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Unlined interior - if that's practical

Cut top

Eyelets and other details as on blog pair

[Rnrswitch

Service boot exactly like pictured in the blog, but in #8

Leather: #8Cordo

Style of Boot: Service boot on blog

Hieveryone:

Leather: Horsehide or Black Chromexcel

Sole: Vibram 430

Midsole: single Natural

Style of Boot: 10 inch Engineer; Standard Toe

Two tone: No

Other: Roller Buckles

thelion1856:

leather: natural

sole: single leather

midsole: double natural color

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ plain toe

two tone?: NO

other: brass eyelets

Fresco:

Leather: Black Horsehide

Sole: half sole (cats paw/vibram) 8 stitch.

Midsole: Single natural

Style: Engineer with low profile toebox (like the shell cordovan sample)

Two tone: no

Other: brass roller buckles, cats paw heels?, single celastic toe. No logo on front if possible.

Oh i'm sorry! Here is the list now:

quote:

originally posted by mctaran view post

leather: #8 shell cordovan (or black sc)

sole: vibram 700

midsole: single, natural edge

style of boot: sevice boot, Nickel Eyelets, cut top. Exactly like this one:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...539 708_n.jpg

two tone ? : nope

Other details:

Celastic toe (not sure if its single or double on picture)

So it's the same boot like on the picture, but in shell cordovan.

quote:

originally posted by BrownMetallic view post

leather: Black HH [Japanese]

sole: Vibram 705 half sole [composite] + Cat's Paw heels

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot **Perforated Cap Toes

two tone ? : no

Other details:

_ close trimmed + natural finished edges

_ Single Celastic toe

_ Red leather lined interior

_ All Nickel eyelets

quote:

originally posted by entropy kid view post

leather: black HH

sole: Double leather (natural) with Topy

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot / plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by rayw44 view post

My turn:

Leather Black Horsehide (Japanese)

Sole: leather (natural)

Midsole: Single (natural), so two pieces for the leather sole total

Style: Engineer with slim profile service boot toebox (from the blog)

Two tone: no

Other: No pull straps on the back, brass roller buckles (I'll provide them if Brett can't get them), no toe reinforcement, and if we have the option of Cat's Paw heels I would like them (but if not, no big deal)

I missed Aquaphor's at first, here it is:

Leather: Black Horsehide

Sole: Vibram 705 (Half Sole)

midsole: Single

Style of boot: 6" service boot plain toe (new slim style)

Two tone ? : No

Heel: Preferably Cat's Paws

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All Antique eyelets

Riff:

leather: black HH

sole: Double leather (natural) with Topy

midsole: Single (natural)

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last recently on the blog) w/ plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details: natural finished edges

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by rgray view post

leather: black chromexcel

sole: vibram 2021

midsole: single natural

style of boot: short shift, service boot toe box

other: viberg logo on the front, roller buckles, pull tab, leather lining, flat top

(same idea as the viberXchallenger boot on the blog)

originally posted by SLAB

leather: Brown "mocha" chrome excel leather

sole: Vibram 705 composition half sole (preferably cats paws!)

midsole: Single natural

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ perforated cap toe

two tone ? : no

Other details:

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior (tan)

antique eyelets and hooks (if Viberg offers this color)

originally posted by lostinthesupermarket Sooo....

leather: black horsehide

sole: Vibram 435 half sole

midsole: single natural.

style of boot: engineer with standard toebox

two tone?: No

Other: roller buckles

quote:

originally posted by Momokun leather: Black Cordovan

sole: Vibram 269

midsole: Single

style of boot: service boot on the thinner new last. (Like the one on the blog)

two tone: no

Other: rolled top.

brass eyelets

quote:

originally posted by PeterParker leather: Brown "mocha" calfskin

sole: Vibram 705 composition half sole

midsole: Single

style of boot: 6" service boot (the "new" last) w/ plain toe

two tone ? : no

Other details:

Single celastic toe

Leather lined interior

Rolled top

All brass eyelets (no speedhooks)

quote:

originally posted by morse9443 leather: brown chromex

sole: single leather

midsole: single natural.

toe: double celastic

style of boot: 6" service boot

two tone?: No

Other: pull tab

Price ?

quote:

originally posted by demonito leather: black horsehide ( japanese)

sole: vibram 435

midsole: double natural color

style of boot: engineer with standard toebox worker toebox

two tone?; NO

quote:

originally posted by Tiro

leather: Brown "mocha" chrome excel leather (that's what kiya has right?)

sole: cats paws (up front and on the heel)

midsole: Single natural

style of boot: 6" service boot on the new last (the one from the blog picture)

two tone ? : no

other: leather lining

[edmond]

so its a 2021 sole?

[PeterParker]

I don't understand what all of the shit flinging in this thread is about. If I worked for Viberg, I would not want to be associated with the defamation of another shoemaker. You say you're buddies with Brett, but I'm not sure he would appreciate you trashing another shoemaker on his behalf. If this is part of the deal to get a break on pricing for the group buy, that's some twisted shit.

And what relevance does any of that even have to the current group buy being discussed? The Julian option was debated over a month ago.

Just give us a price on the boots for the group buy already.

[edmond]

you shut up stop acting all good and all did you know brett wants me to post this on superfuture? did you even know that? how the hell would i be able to get this email huh? stupid shit

[Madmax]

so its a 2021 sole?

Was that question directed at me.

[edmond]

yes it was directed to you

[rayw44]

I don't see what the problem is with giving everyone a heads up on a potential problem affecting a very pricey item. I want to know if a product is worth the money, or has potential quality issues.

And I don't think you could call this defamation at all, he is talking about a real life issue of quality. He's not making any of this up just to shit on Julian.