My denim project 2nd sample version

[m1sterko]

to satisfy both ends of the spectrum you can prolly split the jean into two different models.

a sort of super slim and slim straight. the super slim would reduce the amount of bagginess in the thigh and the slim straight would open up the bottom part up.

but who knows its all in the creators.

these jeans are developing very well and when they're mature im sure these jeans will be a favorite among many people.

(and good motto by the way)

[Conie Jeans]

[bottledregrets]

Conie, I think the denim looks great! What wallet are you sporting?

[Charlie Delta]

First off, great that you're starting this.

However, as has been said before, you might want to reconsider the names you're using.

[khoiphan92]

uhm whens the luckky person gonna get the free jeans?

[beatle]

Patch looks nice and dark....

[caughtinthered]

First off, great that you're starting this.

However, as has been said before, you might want to reconsider the names you're using.

I dont see what the issue is with the name, it sounds very strong and classic.

[PG2G]

I dont see what the issue is with the name, it sounds very strong and classic.

maybe because of the racial connotations...

[stussified]

I think that it was just a really bad model to use for that specific pair of jeans.

m1sterko did a great job in analyising the akward fit. The thing that I love about your pair of jeans is the color of the indigo, but main critisisms once again:

1.get a better model to show off the fit

2.make the pockets closer together.

3.make a denim shirt

[Kev07]

How tall is that model?

[Charlie Delta]

maybe because of the racial connotations...

That,

and then naming the cuts after American presidents, especially one that was there around the time when it was very actual...

[Conie Jeans]

Guys...Thank you for all the positive responses towards my project...

About the Name: The original production code for these jeans are F20071 and F20081...about the nick name Lincoln and Abraham it;s just the name...Big No for any racial issue behind the nick name...I like the way they are named...after all it's just the name right...I want to keep it simple and classic...

Back Pocket...let see how I go with the next cut...I am not a big company...with big giant stock of fabrics..little by little and I think I will get a better final products

Thank you...

[Conie Jeans]

How tall is that model?

I think he was 180cm something...

[thoran]

maybe because of the racial connotations...

Someones a little precious to jump on the racial bandwagon. A name is a name and early American presidents seems fitting for a pair of denim in my opinion.

Seriously is my brother a supporter of racism ? His first name is Lincoln i'd hate for him to meet you lest you think less of him for his name.

The jeans look very nice - i'd love to try a pair one day, I wonder how they'd look on a skinnier guy? I'm not tiny like a lot of people here but not as large as the model (no offence) so it'd be interesting to see the cut on someone my size.

[Kev07]

Wow, the dude is 5'9 and theres that much stacking on him , no way he's 180 cm, but either way, the stacking is pretty awesome imo

[m1sterko]

i'll wait for further improvements on these jeans.

btw, conie jeans where are you located ? like your main hq.

[Conie Jeans]

I live in sydney..and sydney is pretty much my HQ for now....

[Conie Jeans]

So today I asked my friend to try on F20082 or Lincoln, he is 170cm tall...

[thoran]

I live in sydney..and sydney is pretty much my HQ for now....

Ohh i'm in Adelaide. Cool more Australian denim!

[khoiphan92]

uhm whens the luckky person gonna get the free jeans?

you said that in the beginning but i dont see anything

[PG2G]

Someones a little precious to jump on the racial bandwagon. A name is a name and early American presidents seems fitting for a pair of denim in my opinion.

Seriously is my brother a supporter of racism ? His first name is Lincoln i'd hate for him to meet you lest you think less of him for his name.

Ugh, don't be so sensitive. Someone asked why people kept mentioning a problem with the name, I answered. The word "Massa" has racial connotations, that's a fact. Those racial connotations are strengthened by the names he is choosing for the cuts. I don't think anyone suggested Connie was being racist.

[m1sterko]

Q: What is Massa?

'Master' - referring to a boy - is now used in British English only on envelopes, for example, containing birthday cards for him. Other than that, it might be used as a bit of a joke or when the speaker is deliberately trying to be old-fashioned..."You'll need to do better than that, young Master Jones!" You would definitely not use it for anyone over the age of adulthood, namely 18, in these circumstances.

Referring to an adult, it might be used of male school-teachers, qualified tradesmen - a master builder, for example - ships' captains and so on. That is, where the person is fully qualified and experienced in his profession...ie a master of it.

I'm not sure about American English usage for male children, though obviously, 'master' and 'massa' are no longer used to mean a slave-owner!

taken from answerbank.com

just a post from one of the users.

the name can be taken both ways.. a racial way and the other way around.

its kind of a sticky situationn.. you got both good arguments coming from both sides.

if you'd like to clear things up maybe try writing a mission statement about what you guys stand for and all that. i dont recall seeing one of those on your sites i think.. not to sure on that

[BlueOctoberFan]

I don't see where "massa" could possibly be construed in the British sense to which you refer. That pronounciation has never had any connotation outside of slavery so far as I'm aware of.

[mr fluffernutter]

What! Oh no man!...Massa it's just I just like it that way, lincoln is a brand from US car.

haha

i like the jeans, fit looks a bit off right now though, perhaps the rear rise should be a bit longer? looks kind of up 'there'

personally, i don't like the backpocket stitching and the pockets look kind of big.

[poopslush]

So today I asked my friend to try on F20082 or Lincoln, he is 170cm tall...

Fit looks much better here than on the first model. The same cut wont fit everyone perfectly... The thighs look fine to me for guys with atheltic builds. Then again, if this is a slim cut, skinny guys arte more likely to buy them so you might want tot take them in a bit. The hem looks a little too small compared to the rest of the jeans IMO, but taking in the thighs might slove this problem. More suggestions- Bring the back pockets in closer together and reduce thier size, especially in smaller waist sizes. Other than that everything loks awesome. Once I see the other cuts and stuff you might have me sold on a pair.

[Conie Jeans]

Hemm What is Massa?....I took that name from my favourite F1 drivers Filipe Massa...some thing wrong with that?...I dont think so...the name of Massa it's every where....

and also m1Sterko...you did a good research...thank you...

I am working very hard right now...to fulfill all your positive advises...thank you

[debs]

you probably don't understand because you aren't american...or maybe you or some other ppl don't want to understand (just throwing that out there).

massa is a word that slaves used in america. it means master, as in the slave master. slaves weren't taught to read or write...in fact, many (read: all) were broken into groups where they weren't next to a person of the same cultural background...so not only was there initially a language barrier as far as *insert african language here* and english but there was a barrier between the different african languages that slaves used.

anyway, words like massa are the way slaves pronounced english. calling your jeans massa is not in itself racist or prejudiced or even necessarily insensitive...but when you add on the american presidents, it raises a few eyebrows.

bottom line, IMHO, if you are smart enough and educated enough to know american presidents all the way over in australia, then you are smart enough and educated enough to know a lil american history and to know how and why something like the lincoln model of massa jeans would be offensive to (some) americans.

your jeans are nice. a few things are off, but they are nice and i know they'll come along in the end. you already are going against the grain with the red tab and the levi like arcs...now you're doing more of the same with the name of the jeans and the models...is that going to be your theme?

[Conie Jeans]

as written on my title...these are my project and sample only...in regards of the red tab or the arc it's just alittle experiment...do you realize how many Japanese company out there been using that theme...dude this is just a little experiment...and also I wont use it for my final products cheers...

[khoiphan92]

wheres the free jeans...

[40ozprophet]

and where are some updates!