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I tried doing a search with no avail.

Whats the difference between the 1947, 1964, and 1967 models of 501xx Levi's in the way each of these fit?

How do these fair compared to the modern 501?

Help please?

Edited by poly800rock on May 17, 2005 at 07:48 AM

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I think 1947 is a pretty straight leg; 1964 slightly more tapered. DOn't know about 1967. Will try and find booklet I have which should explain. The new 501 is based on the 1947 shape, but lower rise, with slightly tilted waist. They said that the shape is more antifit, but I don't know if it's more antifit than the 1947 or 1964, it's just that it's not as much of a carrot shape as the previous (pretty horrible) fit.

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anyone here know anything about the type1? nothing exclusive, not selvedge. just want to know a little more than what i could find on google. i got a pair the other and i like it

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Edited by justaname on May 17, 2005 at 11:07 AM

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The 1947 Levis rule, the 1966s are cool, and all the other ones are eh :) I hate the current 501s, I dont think they have a good fit at all.

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dont know much specifically about the Type 1 except that i dig em

the exaggerated rivets, belt loops, stitching etc are cool features. they made a pair with cinchbacks that i'd like to find....the one deadstock pair i found once was just too small for me to wear

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The TYPE 1 are based on 2002-2003 Levi's RED. If you like the type 1 jeans, look for some RED, you will like them even more!

Carpe Denim!

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but there's no where that i could get some levi's red here in seattle serge... i've been dying to try on some levi's red though, i got that type 1 at ross for 14 bucks while looking for some new socks... but yeah i like it very much...

do you know any good online shop taht stock levi's red? or do you source any? hehehe icon_smile.gif

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well, the cheapest place would be on ebay. they are seasonal, so when they are gone, that's it. they come up from time to time. those Red's would probably go for $80-110. Make sure you have them do an actual measurement because I wear a 28 in those reds and my waist measures 33."

There are some good jean shops in seattle though! and Vancouver is f-ing awesome!

Carpe Denim!

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When I was in Milan last September I found Type 1s with a seat pocket flaps (a la True Religion) and internal back pockets. They were nice but I couldn't get the right size. Given that many think True Religion are Levi's Red copies, has it come full circle?

Anyone else seen these?

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Edited by Lazylinepainter on May 30, 2005 at 04:33 PM

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the only jeans shop i know in seattle with a good rep is ian, but i don't think they stock levi's red though. anyhow, i will take another trip up there sometimes later... thanks serge...

how often do levi's red line run?

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I saw some type 1s at the levi's/docker (seattle premium) outlet in marysville. It's next to tulalip casino, off exit 202.

Edited by the yellow face on May 18, 2005 at 03:15 PM

oh yea, check goods' new project $ (right next door). haven't been there, but supposidly it's a clothing boutique

Edited by the yellow face on May 18, 2005 at 03:17 PM

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i checked goods recently, they have some stuffs in (prps, overpriced evisu)and expect big things around mid or late summer. i heard about that outlet in marysville but never really take time to go up there maybe i should next weekend... thanks yellow face

oh does anyone (serge, ringring, denim heads?) know the shrinkage of type 1 when washed?

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Edited by justaname on May 18, 2005 at 03:26 PM

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just curious - does levi's make modern 501's with selvage? or only LVC?

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I was in Miami a couple of weeks ago and noticed a newish selvage model that I don't think is LVC. IT's not an exact repro, has a couple of cowboys on the leather patch, I think it was circa $120, didn't look bad. Didn't have time for a proper look, maybe someone else here knows more?

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Sorry, I meant Levi's, as opposed to LVC - Levi's Vintage, Not a huge difference obviously, but they're marketed differently, and LVC is now made in Japan (it used to be made in the old Valencia St factory). The Levi's I saw were generally a vintage look, with selvage, but not a copy of a specific year 501, like the LVC product, and were a little bit cheaper,

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Quote:

Sorry, I meant Levi's, as opposed to LVC - Levi's Vintage, Not a huge difference obviously, but they're marketed differently, and LVC is now made in Japan (it used to be made in the old Valencia St factory). The Levi's I saw were generally a vintage look, with selvage, but not a copy of a specific year 501, like the LVC product, and were a little bit cheaper,

--- Original message by Paul T on May 19, 2005 08:17 AM

I've seen Levi Premium, dry "shrink-to-fit" style, with plain ecru selvage in the $130 range.

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Those Levi's premium's with the selvege aren't shrink-to-fit, and they don't have that cowboy patch. They have a leather 501 patch, and the selvege don't have the redline. Those jeans would be pretty cool, if it weren't for the fact that a half a foot extra in length isn't figured in to the specified length. Plus the tags say "dry clean only" and I'm not about to do that. The good news is that the price has been marked down quite a bit now, and I think that the Levi's store here in SF has them for like $80 or $90. I went in there today, and I asked the guy in the LVC department if it was true that they're being manufactured in Japan now. He said no, that only the one's that are sold in Japan are manufactured there.

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Thought I'd hijack this thread to ask some 501 questions. This might have been covered before but I can't find anything.

During what years did Levi's use oil cloth instead of leather for the rear waistband patch?

When was the cinching buckle removed?

What year was the crotch rivet removed? (I hear 1940's but nothing more specific than that)

What year were the back pocket rivets covered? (Also 1940's, but when?

What year did Levi's start using wideloom denim instead of selvage denim?

Which Levi's have LEVI'S (or LeVI'S) on both sides of the tag and which don't?

Thankful for any answers you guys can give me.

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OK. I'll bite. Feel free to correct me, anyone. My info comes from Leiv's records.

During what years did Levi's use oil cloth instead of leather for the rear waistband patch?

oil cloth was just used for the cheaper 201 range, which ran from 1906 or earlier, and disappeared by the 1930s.

When was the cinching buckle removed?

WWII period, most people would say c1940

What year was the crotch rivet removed? (I hear 1940's but nothing more specific than that)

As above

What year were the back pocket rivets covered? (Also 1940's, but when?

1937

What year did Levi's start using wideloom denim instead of selvage denim?

1980; universal by 1982

Which Levi's have LEVI'S (or LeVI'S) on both sides of the tag and which don't?

For 501, double sided tag appeared 1953.

Thankful for any answers you guys can give me.

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"how's the shrinkage on the jeans in the LVC line?"

-woah woah woah, wait a minute, you guys wash your jeans????

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I just got a pair of those Levi's Premium 501's at the Levi's store here in SF that were marked down to $70. They look pretty good, but I've got to get them hemmed.

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Sorry, no links for Levi's records, this was a printout of info from their archives someone gave me.

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Cheers paul t i added a few detials, can anyone else help here?

1873 – First Blue Jean created, 9oz denim, cinch, leather patch

1886 – First ‘501’, 2-horse patch introduced

1901 – Second back pocket introduced

1927 – 10oz denim introduced

1936 – Red Tab introduced

1937 – Suspender buttons removed, back pocket rivets covered

1943 – Cinch (martingale) and crotch rivet removed

1944 – Arcuate painted, not stitched, watch-pocket rivets dropped

1947 – Stitched arcuates and watch-pocket rivets back, arcuates become twin-needle stitched (diamond apparent at base)

1953 – Red Tab made double-sided

1955 – Paper patch introduced

1965 – Nipple top alloy rivets introduced

1966 – Rear-pocket bar-tacked not riveted, no watch-pocket selvedge

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Looks good... Boogieman, haven't checked properly, but one thing I did see is that the watch pocket WAS on the very first jeans - there's on one a pair of brown cotton duck pants, which is the earliest pair in the Archives, as well as on the $45,000 denim jeans.

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