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Really professional though Kiya how you called them out pubicly in their own thread before emailing or PMing first to see what was up.

For what it's worth I ordered from T&Y over the phone today and they were very helpful and nice. Definitely not lazy as they went way out of their way to make sure my purchase went through okay.

Anyway, when you have a new store you are consequently going to have new employees/interns. So give em a break. They're in a hurry to get everything up and running and sometimes people cut corners when they're in a rush. It happens.

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Let's not assume kiya hasn't contacted them prior to making the decision to take this public. I believe that if there is anything to be said about Kiya and the services provided by SE it's that their communication is on point.

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I for one would rather buy from a shop that takes the time to measure their own shit and write their own product descriptions than a shop that copies that info from someone else.

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I appreciate all the support and non-support here. T&K have changed their product pages to remove the offending copy and size charts. bye.

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The use of Self Edge's copy is not good practice, I doubt it's malicious, just cutting corners at a busy period, as another poster said. I'm not sure how the size chart similarities are bad though - why couldn't T&Y's measurements be the same as SE? Wouldn't that be expected?

However, Kiya's reaction, although partially justified, does him no justice either and is likely driven by the perceived loss of business to a competitor.

Hint to T&Y - if you're after jeans sizing charts, I find that BiG are much more accurate than SE!

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it was not size chart similarities, it was straight up copying of self edge size charts, along with product descriptions.

t&y had sizing data for large size flat head shirts that they didn't even stock, because they copied the numbers from self edge.

they have since taken down the data for sizes they don't carry, and rewritten the product descriptions.

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I wasn't referring to Oni or Kamikaze.

What i was referring to was this (copy, spec list, and size charts are identical):

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Relax Kiya, at least they didn't copy the price. T&Y's seems to be slightly lower...

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The use of Self Edge's copy is not good practice, I doubt it's malicious, just cutting corners at a busy period, as another poster said. I'm not sure how the size chart similarities are bad though - why couldn't T&Y's measurements be the same as SE? Wouldn't that be expected?

However, Kiya's reaction, although partially justified, does him no justice either and is likely driven by the perceived loss of business to a competitor.

Hint to T&Y - if you're after jeans sizing charts, I find that BiG are much more accurate than SE!

^ This.

I'd appreciate it if the shit-slinging were taken off line so that consumers can enjoy the thread.

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Maynard - in the interests of balance, you should work out how much it would cost you to order the shirt from tandy and then SE and see who is cheaper.

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INTRODUCING KAMIKAZE ATTACK JEANS

I was first attracted to Kamikaze Attack because it isn’t a well known brand, and it’s a bit more rare which makes it fun. 2 years ago in Tokyo I tracked down a little shop called Gorilla that prefers to carry the smaller Japanese denim brands like Kamikaze Attack and Trophy. When I saw the quality of the construction and the simple but well detailed styling, I was hooked!

Of course their humorous and dark brand name, and their motto “Project to Conquer the World†also make me smile.

The brand was created by Mr. Kanazawa, who I have to describe as an ex-recluse badass who loves motorcycles, vintage punk rock, and anything grim and dark. Perhaps if the psychobilly band “The Cramps†mutated with a Japanese Bosozoku, Kamikaze Attack would be the result.

We are proud to be the only store outside of Japan to carry Kamikaze Attack!

Company History

Before 1995 Kanazawa was a recluse rebel who thought mass market society was crappy. He was homeless and needed a change. In 1995, together with some friends Kanazawa san created a tattoo shop / clothing store called Wire. Their main customers/visitors were homeless people, struggling musicians and artists, bikers and even puppies. But Kanazawa wasn’t satisfied and wanted to move on. He opened a store in Okayama station and decided “Since there are no jeans which I would put on, let’s make them ourselves!†Kamikaze Attack was born out of the creative DIY rebel attitude that reminds me of garage punk music.

Products

All Kamikaze Attack jeans are proudly sewn using vintage machinery in Kojima, Japan. Though this denim is a bit cleaner in appearance, the 14oz unsanforized denim from Texas cotton creates a rough gritty surface texture. The fit is simple and straight, slim but not skinny.

Their jeans feature all the good details we are used to like:

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Check out the jean here: http://tateandyoko.c...aze-Attack.html

Ok, enough talk, onto some fun photos…

Kamikaze Attack Kojima head office and workshop

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Playing with Kanazawa san’s 2 cute dogs

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KA bicycle with leather seat and Grimm Reaper handles

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KA branded denim drink machine

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Left to right – KA pattern maker, Bahzad, Yamane san, Brandon (me), Kanazawa san.

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New products from The Flat Head that just came in!

Not on the website yet, but you can give us a call at 1.514.382.4062 to place an order.

- 2015 20oz 15th Anniversary Special Edition jean. Heavyweight denim with overlapping red and white thread for the backpocket arcuates. Only 5 pairs left (30, 31, 32, 33, 36). $335

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- SK-011 Shawl Collar Cardigan in black/grey, soft and cozy sweatshirt-like cotton, with old school pockets, sizes 38, 40, 42. $225

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- 7108W Chambray Work Shirt in Grey, sizes 40, 42. $260

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Chaps,

When I jokingly mentioned in an earlier post that you should use Blue in Green's measurements, I didn't actually mean it! I've just looked at your Studio D'artisan products and there's some uncanny similarities with BiG in terms of product descriptions. Let's see a bit of originality here and avoid a repeat of the past week.

Good luck with the venture!

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Nice to have a canadian retailer, 5$ for shipping is unreal. I live up in northern Canada and am used to getting raped on shipping. My next pair of jeans will most likely be through you guys

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I hope this e-hate fosters a SE vs. t+y denim contest - SE05BSP vs FHxNFxTY; whoever wins gets TFH exclusivity in North America (8)

personally i'd love to see this. ROUND ONE! FOYT!

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The only measurement was my inseam from 34.75" to an even 33" I sized up one from my normal WG size and my true waist is around a 31

Edit: (lol opps 33 not 31)

Edited by RawAsDenim
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The only measurement was my inseam from 34.75" to an even 33" I sized up one from my normal WG size and my true waist is around a 31

Oh? That's interesting.

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@rawasdenim, dude - i love your american flag shoe lace brooches. um, i don't think 'brooches' is the right word but that's all i can think of right now. where can i get some!?

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@rawasdenim, dude - i love your american flag shoe lace brooches. um, i don't think 'brooches' is the right word but that's all i can think of right now. where can i get some!?

They came with my redwings O.o

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lol the first thing i thought when i read kiyas post was, if they are the same jeans wouldnt the measurments be the same???

T&Y is looking pretty sick. I'm most stocked on the new collab posabilities.

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