Visvim S/S 08

[Charlie Delta]

^That's something I was curious about actually.

You have no problem in wearing the japanese interpretation of the real thing?

Seeing as you seem to stand so close to the 'real deal'.

(not trying to spark a discussion here, honestly curious...)

[mellowbonsai]

youre right, the irony has occurred to me many times. practicality figures largely here, if i were to wear "real" moccasins i'd wear out the sole in a matter of days on all this concrete/asphalt/etc...

moccasin and outfit makers have also cut back significantly on the leather quality since no one uses them outside of the powwow circuit; theres no incentive to make them out of elk, bear or other native fauna. but beadwork craftsmanship can certainly compensate for that. oneida raised beadwork is especially breathtaking, even though it might be stitched into crude pig leather

there do exist "purists" out there who make their own outfits using the "right" materials and techniques, but theyre often teased for squandering time, money, being inefficient and stuck in the past. i mean, who wants to chew on porcupine quills anymore when you have glass beads from the czech?

[mellowbonsai]

the short answer is that they one of the most stellar compromises of form and function ive seen in an article of clothing in recent memory

thick, stretchy-soft leather and slim soles make them very light and comfortable but the materials also make them much more durable than, say, minnetonka. at the same time, they also have that appearance of being a "real" moccasin: i think its remarkable i can put them on under the rest of my powwow regalia and dance in them, wear them to the 49 or wear them to class...

[Raskol]

youre right, the irony has occurred to me many times. practicality figures largely here, if i were to wear "real" moccasins i'd wear out the sole in a matter of days on all this concrete/asphalt/etc...

moccasin and outfit makers have also cut back significantly on the leather quality since no one uses them outside of the powwow circuit; theres no incentive to make them out of elk, bear or other native fauna. but beadwork craftsmanship can certainly compensate for that. oneida raised beadwork is especially breathtaking, even though it might be stitched into crude pig leather

there do exist "purists" out there who make their own outfits using the "right" materials and techniques, but theyre often teased for squandering time, money, being inefficient and stuck in the past. i mean, who wants to chew on porcupine quills anymore when you have glass beads from the czech?

really? i always thought real moccasins were made to last and shit. isnt the outdoors terrain supposed to be rougher than the paved roads and tiled floors of the city?

[mellowbonsai]

^did you bother to read the next sentence?

i guess i could be more specific, though. the moccasin isn't terribly complex. it's like a leather sock. direct contact between the ground and your foot. especially when its wet, the leather "sole" dries up and crumbles away.

[PAND]

I'm not that knowledgeable about (N) pricing, but does this fall in line @ ~ $1300 USD, noting it is made of Gore-Tex.

however, I'd like to see Visvim ditch gore-tex for a better tech material... or perhaps the fact Gore is so well known amongst the non-educated makes it a big selling point.

What material would you be talking about? eVent's?

[jsn]

bear foot only replicates most popular style of moc, ojibwe/menominee puckered-toe

nakamura needs to be schooled on moccasin regionalism

if the folk line ever release tribally specific models (hochungra, oneida, pointy-toe potawatomi, athabaskan mukluk?!) i'd be truly impressed, and would cop immediately for top dollar

I read somewhere that Hiroki collects vintage moccasins. Could be where he draws inspiration from as well

[Becks23]

What material would you be talking about? eVent's?

I recently came across c_change and even more recently DiAplex (within like 2-3 days ahah)

http://www.schoeller-textiles.com/pdf/eng_PR_c_change_test_results_05056.pdf

http://www.diaplex.com/

Here's a further article that actually compares c_change vs. eVent vs. Gore-Tex (which is undeniably the current rankings of these 3 materials).

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/outdoors/2004292299_nwwgettingingear20.html

c_change /DiAplex are both interactive materials, and very similar to the point I can describe the materials together in one post. When the ambient temperature is low and little perspiration is detected, the molecules of the material stay tightly chained together (and creating a windproof barrier). When the ambient temperature rises, the molecules spread apart extensively to allow perspiration to leave from within.

How this relates back to Visvim, I've always likened Visvim as the innovator and number one purveyor of combining functional features (i.e. Gore-Tex/WindStopper) with fashionable designs/cuts etc. Canada Goose (another solid brand) have offered their Pearson jacket with the aforementioned c_change + 3XDRY (another moisture management system) that effectively shit kicks any Gore-Tex materials. I haven't seen any of the Canada Goose Non-Insulated Collection in real life, however I feel they are along the similar lines of Vis but unsure of cuts/fit.

Here is Canada Goose's Non Insulated line http://www.canada-goose.com/products/products.aspx?Class=Men. North Bay Expedition is pretty dope as well. HB has better pictures http://www.hypebeast.com/2008/03/canada-goose-2008-spring-summer-collection

Sorry for the jump off, technical fabrics with fashion are hella interesting to me.

[M4TM]

yeah, i was reading about that c_change fab... sounds very interesting! that's some next level nano tech shit.

i agree that visvim needs to start implementing that pronto.

[Naero]

hey guys,

i saw a pic of the visvim kiefer no.5's and fell in love a little bit, but i'm not sure what season they're from?...

also, does anyone know of any resellers that might have any in stock? i found 1 pair that's a full size bigger than what i usually wear -- any chance they run extremely small?

help appreciated,

b

[Raskol]

^^ s/s 2007. they run small but i wouldnt recommend sizing up a whole size. maybe you could make it work with an insole.

[Raskol]

more visvim x number (n)ine

black, chocolate and beige.

will drop on april 12 for a measly 134,400 yen.

[herpsky]

3/29 @ Fil

Gs0000068 G.fluxus 01 Unwashed

Gs0000069 G.fluxus 04 Unwashed

Gs0000072 G.fluxus 01 Black Unwashed

Gs0000073 G.fluxus 04 Black Unwashed

Gs0000077 G.mess Pants

Gs0000078 G.weller Shirt S/s

Gs0000079 G.beautiful Lug S/s

Gs0000080 G.beautiful Lug L/s

Gs0000082 G.saga Shirt S/s

Gs0000083 G.saga Shirt L/s

Gs0000084 G.record Jacket

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V10000601　foley-folk (f.i.l. Exclusive) Restock

[Soba]

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sorry to hijack this thread but does anyone noe is pair of visim fbt neon authentic?

FAKE......

[Soba]

sorry to hijack this thread but does anyone noe is pair of visim fbt neon authentic?

FAKE.......

[Soba]

double post

[PAND]

I recently came across c_change and even more recently DiAplex (within like 2-3 days ahah)

http://www.schoeller-textiles.com/pdf/eng_PR_c_change_test_results_05056.pdf

http://www.diaplex.com/

Here's a further article that actually compares c_change vs. eVent vs. Gore-Tex (which is undeniably the current rankings of these 3 materials).

Here is Canada Goose's Non Insulated line http://www.canada-goose.com/products/products.aspx?Class=Men. North Bay Expedition is pretty dope as well. HB has better pictures http://www.hypebeast.com/2008/03/canada-goose-2008-spring-summer-collection

Sorry for the jump off, technical fabrics with fashion are hella interesting to me.

Thanks for the info, I remember Schoeller from acronym, but didn't realise how diverse their products/materials are.

As for Canada Goose's jackets, it seems that some use: http://www.3xdry.com/ (from Schoeller).

Website doesn't say how long the exterior waterproofing treatment actually lasts for. When is an external fabric going to be created that doesn't need treating or degrades over time?

[Becks23]

Thanks for the info, I remember Schoeller from acronym, but didn't realise how diverse their products/materials are.

As for Canada Goose's jackets, it seems that some use: http://www.3xdry.com/ (from Schoeller).

Website doesn't say how long the exterior waterproofing treatment actually lasts for. When is an external fabric going to be created that doesn't need treating or degrades over time?

Yeh Acr is another brand that definitely falls within the Vis/CGs etc.

As I understand, 3XDRY is like an outer layer while c_change is an inner layer. From the non-insulated range, the Pearson is most expensive @ $550 with 3XDRY/c_change will the subsequent cheaper models are all Arctic-Tech/c_change.

[sbw4224]

I tried on the Lhamo's today, and honestly, I had a hard time not buying them. The way the sole is angled makes for a very comfortable walking experience. It's hard to tell you're wearing shoes, in a good way.

I'd say the Lhamo's are the most comfortable Visvim's I've ever tried on. That being said, the price will prevent me from ever owning them.

[Raskol]

whats the deal with the bear foot folk? how come they are so much harder to find than the lhamos? i know theyre both very similar, but i kinda prefer the bear foots. the laces are a little nicer and the sole looks slimmer and less "running shoe." but these bitches are impossible to find. were they made in smaller numbers or something?

[jsn]

Bear Foot FBT were FIL exclusive only I think, while plenty/if not all international accounts got stocks for the Lhamos

[mpcec]

I'm looking for a visvim button down, saw it on the market recently but can't find it now. It had stripes on the sides I think, that were thick, different colored and looked like different materials. I recently saw a tee shirt that had the same design but I can't find either of the shirts now, after searching through 7 pages of visvim tags on the market.

So if someone could help me identify the shirt, and hopefully tell me where to find one, and if Visvim button downs run true to size or what, thanks.

[Raskol]

maybe the 5 nations shirt? they fit true to size.

[sidneylo]

Robokopped my first Beesabeemu - Soph Kiefers from AYPEECEE BAY BAY.

[ordo]

[mpcec]

maybe the 5 nations shirt? they fit true to size.

Not sure, I've tried searching for it, but pictures of Visvim collections are impossible for me to track down. If you have a picture, I would appreciate it, if you have some links that would help that would be great too.

[doctorworm]

I CAN PLAY TOO!

sid's coppage

[herpsky]

APC b sellin visbims now?

[sidneylo]

Nah, I bring them from Japan to APC and set up a reseller table. I bring friends to try on shoes to attract attenshunz.

It werked.

[sbw4224]

Just the Sophnet x Visvim kiefers for now. They also had/have a Sophnet hooded vest as well.