DENIM SNOBS...

[Serge d Nimes]

That is good info, and it makes sense.

And for those that don't know, 555 on the top button means the jeans were made in the SF factory. Cheers, Joel

Here is some denim porn for you:

1879 Levi repro jacket

Live is too short for bad denim!

[Randino]

You guys are good. I have a pair of 1873 cinch backs from Fred Segal in 1999, nice and silky, but not as fun to wear as the semi shiny elesco's I got caught up in from that year. I'm in SF and have lots of Levi's / former Levi's pals who don't know this much data on the stuff. While I have most of the usual new suspects (Seven/PDC/James/AG/True Religion, and I wear none of them ever, I get samples from work stuff, but they're not me). My fave non glam brands are Cimarron ('New Randy' cut) and Cerutti Jeans, seriously. the Cimarrons I can only find in Paris, I think they have some womens' stuff at a few spots in the states. They're not an amazing brand, just a great secret since they look great on me. The denim is seriously good, Italian, lean cut but not like the Wranglers mentioned earlier. The Ceruttis have a better cut than my Dior Homme jeans. My Cerruti's are cut so well, I removed the label, straight guys ask me about them, gay guys complement them, they're not the same old eurotrash look, but the denim is top-dyed, fading every time they go on and the rivets are garbage, they can almost cut you. I have two western bootcut pair by Earl in heavy Japanese denim, I took the flares in, people stop me on the street in those jeans more than any other. The Cerutti / Moncler shop just closed here, so my lo cost denim secret is over. Looking to splurge on some Notify jeans in the next month.

Randino

[MONIKER]

cleanliness

Edited by MONIKER on Jul 12, 2005 at 03:38 PM

[Blanc0]

Quote: I have also seen some later redline ugly bartack with the circle R tab that are from the old premium line, of which the name escapes me. it was a run in the late 90's, but not Levi's RED

That was REDLINE, the pre-cursor to RED. I have a pair from that line with the same bartacks, and they also have the red tab with the registered logo only.

[Randino]

Ha! And I'm a total slo-mo pomo mofo when I'm around my denim pals. I am monstrous enough that I went to the Diesel offices near Bassano and met Renzo. Haven't seen any of the old looms in Japan, that would be amazing.

[Blanc0]

I recently went to Cone and got to see all the older fly shuttle looms, that was pretty cool.

[Randino]

Sweet. Are they in LA? I only know what WWD says about Cone denim.

[johnmc]

Quote:

That is good info, and it makes sense.

And for those that don't know, 555 on the top button means the jeans were made in the SF factory. Cheers, Joel

Here is some denim porn for you:

1879 Levi repro jacket

--- Original message by Serge d Nimes on Feb 27, 2005 04:03 PM

Interesting jacket, does it have a buckle back? I'm wondering where Levi's got the pattern - they lost all their stock and archive in the 1912 SF earthquake/fire (their factory was burned to the ground). A couple of years back they paid $35000 for a pair of 1890's jeans which they reproduced as the Nevada jean.

[Serge d Nimes]

HERE ARE SOME BETTER PICS. I assume if they didn't find an original jacket, they could have found pictures of it or a drawing in old newspaper ads. It must have cost them a fortune to make this jacket, nearly the whole jacket is single stitched on antique machines, notice how close the stitching is together. I love the selvage in the collar and the battery street address. This jacket was stolen from me about 4 months ago and I had to blackmail the excoworker that i assumed stole it to get it back! I have seen an Evisu version of this jacket as well.

Live is too short for bad denim!

Edited by Serge d Nimes on Mar 4, 2005 at 07:57 PM

[docdoom]

very cool jacket mate, with nice fading on it. Do you wear it with jeans as well, as i have never really liked the head to toe denim look? I quite fance a denim jacket but as i wear jeand every single day im not sure about it...........

[eldave04]

I m pretty sure you would nt wear that, given it is an original. please tell me you dont wear that...

[wild_whiskey]

It's not an original, Eldave, it's a repro.

It's a beautiful jacket, serge. Levis sure don't make them like they used to (unless you pay a lot, of course). I've been eyeing the "Type 2" Denime jacket. I believe it's the same style. $320.

[Brienneoftarth]

what is denime? where can i get it? I'm looking for a sturdy pair of selvage denim. ive been told 45 rpm is good. any suggestions?

[trinket]

http://www.e-denime.com/

_trinket

[UnhappySupremeCustomer]

Anyone know where to buy denime in NYC or online that will ship to the USA? thank you.

IDonTcare

[docdoom]

some denime on aeroleatherclothing.com in the discounted section for £60

[docdoom]

couple of bits on ebay too i think

[Serge d Nimes]

Yeah, it is a repro. I wear it every day to work and I make sure I do all my dirty work in it to get the authentic wear. I do wear it with jeans, but I make sure the jeans aren't the same exact color as the jacket. I don't really wear this jacket when I go out yet, I will wait another year or so when it has a lot of character and people will freak out when they see it.

Live is too short for bad denim!

[Serge d Nimes]

Edited by Serge d Nimes on Mar 7, 2005 at 10:51 PM

[wild_whiskey]

You have an enviable collection, Serge. Those pictures are almost causing me to make a very stupid purchase. Stop it!

[ringring]

Quote:

what is denime? where can i get it? I'm looking for a sturdy pair of selvage denim. ive been told 45 rpm is good. any suggestions?

--- Original message by Downwithianbrown on Mar 5, 2005 04:07 PM

Talking of sturdy and Denime - Denime release their 21oz jeans this month. (to put that in context the regular weight of a pair of 5 pocket jeans is around 13.5-14oz).

[docdoom]

thats insane! is there a historical precident for such heavywieght jeans?? did/have levis ever gone above 14oz? my regular pair is 33 501s at 10oz, crazy to think its more than double that, they will last for decades!

[Andy v]

Quote: I took the flares in, people stop me on the street in those jeans more than any other

In what way did you du that? i've got some jeans which i would like to be more close fitting. They're not really exactly flared but i'd still like them slimmer...

Ciao

[ringring]

Quote:

thats insane! is there a historical precident for such heavywieght jeans?? did/have levis ever gone above 14oz? my regular pair is 33 501s at 10oz, crazy to think its more than double that, they will last for decades!

--- Original message by docdoom on Mar 6, 2005 04:22 AM

I don't know if Levis have gone above 14oz for denim. I very much doubt they have been as high as 21oz.

Denime have been up to 19oz before, and I have a feeling Studio D'Artisan have also gone up as high as 21oz.

A pair of raw 21oz jeans will make some interesting wearing. Already, dry 15oz jeans can almost stand by themselves unaided.

[Brienneoftarth]

where could you buy the denime 21 oz?

[ringring]

Denime shops in Japan and Take5 in Hong Kong.

[Brienneoftarth]

serge,

where did you get that jacket?! its incredible? i live in new york so im imagining there are some stores that sell repro levis stuff, does anyone have any suggestions>? ive been to selvedge but im never really impressed with what they have.

[docdoom]

i found a link for some 19oz samurai jeans!

http://www.samurai-j.com/samurai/detail/s512xxbc2.html

[rhythmandsound]

the way the selvage ends is interesting: they must have to do that because of the boot cut?

[Sanctimonious Kid]

Those Samurai jeans are rad. I'm annoyed that I can't seem to find these or Denimes in Los Angeles. Fred Segal used to carry Denime, but no longer. Are there any online retailers with English language sites that ship to the US?