chucks vintage official thread

[poly800rock]

Rag & Bone denim is from Cone if I remember correctly...Made in a factory in NC that used to make Levis.

yeah, i remember reading that article. basically "saving" the factory

[le_chic_garcon]

I was just wondering if anyone knows why the old denim articles like this and that picture from madeline in this thread are in Japanese. Any thing that has old jeans like these if they are actually like the original denim catalogs and stuff they have japanese and like this repro chart thing it's in japanese. How come they aren't in english?

[chucksvintage]

Because it caters more towards the Japenese market and your average Jo in America does not care. They do not do Japenese repro in America for Lee because there is not a large market for it.

[chucksvintage]

Hello,

Soon to come something very exciting and new. Keep checking back .

[thinkfilm28]

But that's been the American business model for decades. Growth means bottom line. Corners will be cut. If there's not growth then whats the point? (According to the business model.)

You're right. "Growth means the bottom line" It's pretty sad that quality has to be compromised. Why can there be a middle ground? Quality + Decent price = happy Customer = High sales

[Shorty Long]

I could very well be wrong, but it's very unlikely that Lee ever had looms of their own. Levi definitely didn't have looms. These companies assembled the denim that was produced on looms by textile factories, like Cone Mills. Cone Mills would produce the denim and then ship it to the jeans makers where the final product was made.

Wow. Thank you. But I do know for a fact that there are old Lee shuttle looms in Japan.

[mopar_jj]

I am sure Levis would have better sales numbers if they sold the stuff here in North America that they do in Japan. They are not against having a premium line like capital e or lvc, but for the most part that stuff(not all) is definately below their Japan line. And I disagree with the argument that there is no market for it when everybody here, of whom I would guess there are many North Americans are clammering to order Jeans from Japan.

[chucksvintage]

True. I feel like we really need to start bringing the Art of Denim back into the United States. You do all realize that it is all inspired from Vintage Denim and it started with American Heritage? Unfortunately we can not produce in masses a great quality jean that reflecks the qauilty of the denim in Japan.

[Paul T]

Lee didn't have their own looms. NEver. this is another myth, same as the 'old Levu's loom' myth started by Evis. Lee bought a lost of their denim from Cone (who made Jelt for them) plus other US mills. The Edwin-made Lees use fabric that's mostly sourced by Kaihara (some of it could be Nisshinbo), which is a modern factory using, I would be prepared to bet, Toyoda or other Japanese-made looms.

It's worth pointing out here that Toyoda are one of the world's biggest makers of looms. The Toyota company grew out of it. They exported huge numbers worldwide and introduced a lot of innovative features. Sending US looms to Japan would be, as the Brits would say, sending coals to Newcastle).

There are some old American looms in Japan, but I've only heard of them being used for display purposes.

[chucksvintage]

I was wrong someone gave me the wrong info . Thank you PAUL.

MADELINE

[Paul T]

I was wrong someone gave me the wrong info . Thank you PAUL.

MADELINE

There are some people who have to improve on the truth! But thank you , I've learned loads from the pics you've put up here.

[chucksvintage]

Thank you for all your great info. i always love to learn more.

Madeline

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[mopar_jj]

hey madeline, 684s? or 646s??

Also - the hair style is cool

looks nice

[RockTheVote]

I know it's noton the last page and shit is over, but I just want to make my point here..

For me being on a high horse I think you are completly blinded about craftmanship and quality. It is not only Americans who don't give a shit but many other counties because people give a shit more about price points and that is what I am discussing. I understand if you average person can not pay a lot of many for a high end jean but I do not think you should have to pay a lot for quality that is what I am trying to say. And when we started out sourcing to other countries because labor was cheaper that is were we wen't wrong as Americans. And as for Japenese denim your right they make the best product right now. But hello they own OUR old looms. Do some research.

Cheaper labor means lower overhead.. That's why you ask a mexican do your lawn, clean your house, and in the back of the kitchen.. Because they ask way less than an American.. (don't give me the illegal immigrant crap) Why American sold the old loom first place? Because they want something faster, cheaper in labor machine to replace the craftmanship.. Nothng personal, just business

Vintage everything is the best because the people that made it gave a shit.

I love vintage stuff, but not everything is the best.. Do you wear an undie from the 20's? I don't think so.. Some old stuff are good not because people that made it gave a shit, it's because they didn't know any better/faster/technology to do things.. That's why you buy dry stuffing from a box, you touch a bottom to do your laundry, you turn your 50" flat screen color TV.. You think people gave a shit making black and white TV?

No hard feeling and not trying to stir shit up, I love vintage clothing, don't give me wrong. I was in same the business at one point

[chucksvintage]

Hi,

My Jeans are Vintage Big E 684 bells. I started them from dead I am on almost have month of wear. And For Rock The Vote. You have a very good point but I could not say it because I do not want to sound racist. I do think American goods are better from 1920's depression era because all the there love that they had left and desperation ent into the garmet.

[mopar_jj]

(SOAPBOX MODE=ON!) Little off-topic but here goes anyway.

Hi all,

Sorry but I got to wade into this one as well. Seems to me that the collective we in North America - US and Canada spend or have spent too much time trying to blow each others brains out when it comes to internal competition and not worry about the big picture of what is really happening. It happened in the denim industry and almost all of that has been moved overseas. Take the car business for example - the domestic automakers were all trying to outdo each other instead of realizing what was happening and taking note of the smaller more fuel efficient vehicles coming from Japan and Korea. Now they are suffering. It also has to do with perception in the media - they harp that one product is better than the other ie. cars from Japan are better than US cars - 15 years ago I would agree, but now quality is all the same no matter where it comes from - just like your tv, or lawnmower, stuff works. Everyone in N.A is obsessed with #1, biggest, most etc. RIGHT NOW instead of watching for developing trends. Although I think it is contagious because Toyota is thinking the same way now and if they keep it up they will end up in the same boat as GM.

And soon all cars, tvs, toasters, and DENIM will come from China if ppl keep putting price and quantity in front of quality, and when I say quality I mean quality design and workmanship - because the stuff coming from China will be quality - but in a non-descript cookie cutter sort of way.

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[chucksvintage]

Hi,

Wow . Thank you so much that was a great way of putting it out there.

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Chucks Vintage Amazing Belts

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[superBobo]

what about some more pics of duck pants and chinos? seems to be some interesting stuff on the shelves.

[chucksvintage]

I will post some great duck and canvas pieces next week. What else would you like to see?

[Charlie Delta]

Chucks Vintage Amazing Belts

This bag looks amazing, is it a saddle bag?

I'd love to see some more pics of that.

And yah, canvas and duck stuff is always great.

[chucksvintage]

Hi,

yes it is a calvary 1910's 1920's calvary marked US on it bag. It is a wonderful bag. I will get some more pics up Monday. Thank you for all your great input everbody. You guy's are great.

Madeline

[thinkfilm28]

This bag looks amazing, is it a saddle bag?

I'd love to see some more pics of that.

And yah, canvas and duck stuff is always great.

You should have a SUFU party at your store.

[nightdeposit]

is that a sleeve of an m-41 next to the saddle bag? id like to see more of that as well...

any n-41s?