Ute Ploier F/W 07-08

[chris]

raf simons was her mentor and professor.

i never would have guessed!

[RAISED BY WOLVES]

I tried on a white button up with some suspender attatchments (like all the cool kids are wearing these days...) and I thought it sucked. That said, some of the other stuff Famous Friends stocked was pretty nice.

[evisu 2000]

really like the first look.

[Servo2000]

Too derivative.

Might as well Be "RAF by UTE."

[onemancult]

Too derivative.

Might as well Be "RAF by UTE."

agreed.

i would be much more interested if she had taken what she learned from Raf and

gone on to do womenswear.

[wEstSidE]

agreed.

i would be much more interested if she had taken what she learned from Raf and

gone on to do womenswear.

now that would be interesting...

[Frey]

agreed.

i would be much more interested if she had taken what she learned from Raf and

gone on to do womenswear.

second that. it would be dull and non creative if her future pieces draws part of the ideas from Raf.

[mike lowrey]

thats kind of odd cause I dont recall her previous collections looking so raf-ish. maybe some influences but not as much as this one. never liked the earlier ones that much, this one isn't too exciting either.

[cuddlysheep]

humm i dont know about raf influence..her stuff reminds me of

[2000dB]

thats kind of odd cause I dont recall her previous collections looking so raf-ish. maybe some influences but not as much as this one. never liked the earlier ones that much, this one isn't too exciting either.

Excatly, the previous collections weren't in the same vein that much. This collection looks way too much like Raf FW06/07. I like the trousers in the second look and that kid with the bleached hair looks like Dade Murphy (aka Zero Cool) in Hackers.

[Guest Airjamie]

This shit looks straightthefuckup raf by raf A/W 01-03. What was raf professor of? Hating poor people and getting them to pay $700 for a fucking hoodie?

[2000dB]

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He's the head of fashion design at the university of Vienna. I thought it was an internship that connected them though, might be wrong.

[Tiranis]

Too derivative.

Might as well Be "RAF by UTE."

What he said. It don't mind similarities, but this is pretty much the exactly same thing.

[chris]

s/s 07 was more material boy than it was raf. and f/w 06 was united bamboo x c.neeon x raf x henrik vibskov.

make up your mind, girl!

[wEstSidE]

Excatly, the previous collections weren't in the same vein that much. This collection looks way too much like Raf FW06/07. I like the trousers in the second look and that kid with the bleached hair looks like Dade Murphy (aka Zero Cool) in Hackers.

Hahahahah. I was going to make the joke that zerocool's jacket was raf simons in the what's so great about supreme thread (he did make a jacket like that once if I can recall). joke biter.

[Tyro1]

that's so wierd, as soon as I saw the photo, I thought of the movie hackers!

[Crillz]

agreed.

i would be much more interested if she had taken what she learned from Raf and

gone on to do womenswear.

Why? Because she's a she? Sorry, but that's stupid. Though this IS derivative, consider it a school. During the rennaissance, apprentices working masters would copy EXACT paintings over and over, and eventually they'd give birth to something original and completely brilliant. I can see that happening here.

[hahnstch]

creeps me out a bit

[syddhartha]

reminds me of star wars. anyone else?

[Servo2000]

Why? Because she's a she? Sorry, but that's stupid. Though this IS derivative, consider it a school. During the rennaissance, apprentices working masters would copy EXACT paintings over and over, and eventually they'd give birth to something original and completely brilliant. I can see that happening here.

I personally just think it would be interesting to see the Raf aesthetic applied to women.

I personally think Raf himself should do it, if anyone, however. I sometimes wonder why his ideas fail to encompass the female element of these "youth revolutions" or what have you. To deny that there was an influence and that there's a distinct experience is foolhardy, but I imagine it would be considerably more difficult and consequently possibly more interesting.

Perhaps he considers his work unisex, I'm not sure, but I'd be interested to see what he 'suggests' or at the very least observes about women in these movements that he's, to a certain extent, re-appropriated.

I think that in the case of examining "experience" and applying it to design, it might work better for a woman to do it than a man.

However, I agree that having her do a "womens" collection just because she's a woman would be stupid. My point is simply that it could be revealing.

[onemancult]

Why? Because she's a she? Sorry, but that's stupid. Though this IS derivative, consider it a school. During the rennaissance, apprentices working masters would copy EXACT paintings over and over, and eventually they'd give birth to something original and completely brilliant. I can see that happening here.

no, actually, the womenswear comment was because of how i originally came to know Ute's work.

she used to have this small label-cum-art project called zwie which did maybe a handful or so of women's pieces that i thought were interesting. i think this was while she was still in school, actually, and studying with Raf Simons.

[Crillz]

[tweeds]

OMC, does an archive of zwie still exist on the interweb?

[onemancult]

i really wouldn't know, the last time i saw the stuff was in a german fashion magazine... i'll see what i can turn up with a few web searches.

if i had to pin zwie to some other reference, it was sort of like Bless with less emphasis on function-meeting-form and with a really good interplay between feminine and masculine qualities.

[tweeds]

very nice! i need to buy more magazines...the internet is surprisingly limited when it comes to looking for info on some of these smaller labels. magazines and retrospective books seem to be the main source?

[wEstSidE]

I really like the double breasted stuff from current season...where can I cop online (in America)? On sale preferably.

[Servo2000]

Nowhere that I've ever heard of, I don't believe.

[chris]

raf f/w 07:

ute f/w 07:

[wEstSidE]

Nowhere that I've ever heard of, I don't believe.

C'mon now...I don't want to get raped by B-store.

[arthur]

i'll play:

raf f/w 06-07:

this shit: