GothxStreetwear during the summer?

[headcoat]

Easy - Rick Owens and Julius.

[Fuuma]

He's right though. How many times have you been sexually attracted to a person with downs syndrome? What about someone whose really really fat? Beauty comes from function - although sometimes people can be convinced otherwise if they're told otherwise enough.

That's a non sequitur, everyone knows that there are some (highly variable) standards of beauty and attaraction that are in place right now, but that does not prove any of your points. I'll try to write a little bit about why the initial poster is wrong tomorrow if I have the time.

[Fuuma]

One area where intellect and reasoning do not come into play is pornography. Its made to do one thing - get the viewer off by arousing him or her visually. And as the silhouettes on the runway change with the times - the figures we masturbate to remain constant. Because sexually beautiful forms bypass all the bullshit we clutter our minds and intellects with. It is an unbroken chain of desirability from out primate ancestors up in the trees checking out the monkey ass to our fishy forefathers spooging all over a sexy female fish's egg spawn.

You do realize that pornography is conceived, sold and consumed in a context and that might have some influence?

[ddohnggo]

One area where intellect and reasoning do not come into play is pornography. Its made to do one thing - get the viewer off by arousing him or her visually. And as the silhouettes on the runway change with the times - the figures we masturbate to remain constant. Because sexually beautiful forms bypass all the bullshit we clutter our minds and intellects with. It is an unbroken chain of desirability from out primate ancestors up in the trees checking out the monkey ass to our fishy forefathers spooging all over a sexy female fish's egg spawn.

haha. amazing.

[hollaforadolla]

I believe in universally defined beauty, and certain human forms adhere to that standard. In nature, form follows function, and functionality is beautiful - the reproductive prowess of an iris flower, the eyecatching colors of birds of paradise, the power and size of an elephant, the camoflouge of a tiger's stripes.

The human body, likewise, is a product of functionality. The human male ideal as captured by the ancient Greek sculptors, the Babylonian muralists, the Rennaisance painters - these have been constants throughout history. A virile, youthful, sexually potent and athletic male. Muscular and naturally equipped for killing prey, subduing human enemies, and impregnating females. This is the male ideal.

And a deviation from this is a display of genetic weakness..of unfit form and the consequence of poor function. Men, don't be afraid to be men.

I really dont think all that muscle is required anymore in human existence. While women may appreciate a bit of muscle, talking to my girlfriend, most women agree a meat head = no go. I really want to know what perspective you are taking on this, as it seems like a testosterone filled homo-erotic love for the muscular male form as opposed to what is truly desirable among todays females. The assertion that we still need to kill prey is ridiculous.

Take famous celebrities, aka george clooney "sexiest man alive of whatever year". He is not built like a python. He doesnt have buff man arms. He probably works out some to maintained a chiseled look but he is by no means a buff guy. Its his obvious intelligence and charm that attract females not

A virile, youthful, sexually potent and athletic male. Muscular and naturally equipped for killing prey, subduing human enemies, and impregnating females. This is the male ideal.

He's right though. How many times have you been sexually attracted to a person with downs syndrome? What about someone whose really really fat? Beauty comes from function - although sometimes people can be convinced otherwise if they're told otherwise enough.

You are arguing different things. Down syndrome isnt the same as being fat. Down syndrome is someone with a very unfortunate. Skinny vs fat is not a defect but a choice in body type and food consumption. In addition, not too long ago when fat was hard to obtain, it was attractive. It meant rich, well fed, and by no means unhealthy or over indulgence as it does mean in the western society. Countries like Greece still appreciate the "thicker" woman which would be labeled over here as fat.

Postmodernism has taught us that there is a bit of leeway now, with the convenience of modern civilization. We don't live like savages anymore and strength is of little importance in financial success in this age of cubicles and computers. Modern art - abstract expressionism, cubism, deconstructivism, have all served an important role in human aesthetics by expanding our visual vocabulary. But their goals were not the same as the classical artists who were attempting to capture the beauty of the human form and were intellectual journeys designed to revolutionize a stagnant creative pool.

blah blah blah Classical artists did caputre the beauty of their time but beauty changes all the time, as does fashion, philosphy, forms of government. Actually nothing really stays stagnant.

One area where intellect and reasoning do not come into play is pornography. Its made to do one thing - get the viewer off by arousing him or her visually. And as the silhouettes on the runway change with the times - the figures we masturbate to remain constant. Because sexually beautiful forms bypass all the bullshit we clutter our minds and intellects with. It is an unbroken chain of desirability from out primate ancestors up in the trees checking out the monkey ass to our fishy forefathers spooging all over a sexy female fish's egg spawn.

Again, it does not. I personally believe that we lust after what is hardest obtained. Before, back in the caveman days, it may have been an ultra buff man for hunting and a thicker woman for bearing children. Now in the modern world, becoming an ultra buff man is easy and not ncessary while a George Clooney type intelligent/charming look is more difficult to achieve and obviously gets further in this world. Same with women. Its easy to be fat now so everyone wants someone thats skinny.

Case in point, a great example of how sexuality can be influenced and changed is the example that humans only have two sites that truly create arousal, the nipples and the crotch. Yet in a Western society, a girl nibbling on the ear and kissing the neck, will definently create arousal in any straight male. In a Western society, we may have aesthetic standards for beauty while in others it is extremely different.

We may be hard wired to like a certain look to a certain extent, but as humans with free will we can easily be brought to like something else, as well demonstrated by the media and its ability to sexualize an obviously ugly person.

You do realize that pornography is conceived, sold and consumed in a context and that might have some influence?

yup.

[Analog]

One area where intellect and reasoning do not come into play is pornography. Its made to do one thing - get the viewer off by arousing him or her visually. And as the silhouettes on the runway change with the times - the figures we masturbate to remain constant. Because sexually beautiful forms bypass all the bullshit we clutter our minds and intellects with. It is an unbroken chain of desirability from out primate ancestors up in the trees checking out the monkey ass to our fishy forefathers spooging all over a sexy female fish's egg spawn.

And yet even within the last 20-40 years the idea of what is "sexually beautiful" has changed. Go watch some porn from the 60's, 70's, 80's...

He's right though. How many times have you been sexually attracted to a person with downs syndrome? What about someone whose really really fat? Beauty comes from function - although sometimes people can be convinced otherwise if they're told otherwise enough.

Beauty does not come from Function.

Function does not supercede Beauty.

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[vvoc]

i agree with hollaforadolla the most in this thread....

but back to the orig subject....what are the pricepoints for rick owens and julius and such? i like the look too (in small doses) but i think they are way out of my college student price range....anyway to mimic these brands but at cheaper prices?

[VDSUPREME]

i agree with hollaforadolla the most in this thread....

but back to the orig subject....what are the pricepoints for rick owens and julius and such? i like the look too (in small doses) but i think they are way out of my college student price range....anyway to mimic these brands but at cheaper prices?

Least likely, been searching for cheaper alternatives for some time now, there are close to none.

[evisu 2000]

so i'm the only one fond of bbw porn here?

[goldengloves]

Rick Owens is buff.

[Fuuma]

i agree with hollaforadolla the most in this thread....

but back to the orig subject....what are the pricepoints for rick owens and julius and such? i like the look too (in small doses) but i think they are way out of my college student price range....anyway to mimic these brands but at cheaper prices?

Julius pricepoints are much more palatable than RO, just look at Y! japan and you'll find some good deals. One of the only label that I bought sight unseen and was satisfied with. Make sure you have precise measurements though...

[MiniW]

Take the jacket and sweater off that guy (no homo) and he's a twig. Not just thin, but sickly thin. The topless guy in the drooping jeans isn't buff or big. He just has low body fat without being anorexic - thus some definition will show. Dude still looks mad weak though.

The ultra-thin silhouette has been the fashionable look for menswear for some time now, and with reason. The stark sharp lines look great in a skinny suit. Very Egon Schiele-esque. But they all look awful at the beach or naked. And no matter how good your clothes look, if you look like shit naked, what good is that? Sure some of you may have partners that enjoy the emaciated Rwandan refugee physique, but it isnt a sexually appealing form. It's a boyish and sexually underdeveloped look and triggers visual responses to adolescent figures.

I believe in universally defined beauty, and certain human forms adhere to that standard. In nature, form follows function, and functionality is beautiful - the reproductive prowess of an iris flower, the eyecatching colors of birds of paradise, the power and size of an elephant, the camoflouge of a tiger's stripes.

The human body, likewise, is a product of functionality. The human male ideal as captured by the ancient Greek sculptors, the Babylonian muralists, the Rennaisance painters - these have been constants throughout history. A virile, youthful, sexually potent and athletic male. Muscular and naturally equipped for killing prey, subduing human enemies, and impregnating females. This is the male ideal.

And a deviation from this is a display of genetic weakness..of unfit form and the consequence of poor function. Men, don't be afraid to be men.

this is probably the most eloquently written piece of shit I have ever read.

"Dude still looks mad weak though." - if you think this you're either 1) a meathead or 2) a meathead wannabe, lay off the protein shakes and creatine and ask yourself why you are on sufu.

ultra-thin dudes look like shit on the beach? well that may be for most people, but the ones you are jealous of are probably spending more time on catwalks fulfilling a designer's vision of how clothes should look instead of becoming a buff nobody (like yourself).

and lastly "I believe in universally defined beauty"... well you are not going to get that here, if you haven't noticed there are no blonde marilyn monroe types posting pics in waywt, or if you are g a y, i dunno arnold lookalikes? go loiter around abercrombie or bebe and stop wasting your time and ours.

oh, and btw cheers!

[Crillz]

That will be all.

[jake snake]

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[goldengloves]

lol

the reason why being big is nice is because it makes you better at day to day activities like sports and hiking, and because it can really add presence to a person (kind of like what tall people have).

Having more muscle means your energy expenditure is going to be much higher than a normal person as well as muscle weighs more than fat.

If being 'big' made you better at sports, hiking, etc. then why wouldn't athletes like Lance Armstrong or Michael Phelps be loaded with muscle if it helped athletic performance?

[Guest jmatsu]

Rick Owens is buff.

this kind of made me laugh and i know it's true, but that one dude walter someithng or other who does his wl&t is a fat fucking slob. he produced some clothing with insanely tiny silouettes. same goes for griffin.

i assume that rick owens was making dark shadow before his own line. i know he could fit into that shit.

[goldengloves]

Haha. And the funny thing is, is that Rick Owens has a big physique but then you see his wife and think, "How in the world?"

I think Jake the Snake might not inject the daily Winstrol after seeing her....

[jilla82]

you guys are making something so simple some complex issue. Its a fuckin fact that women dont need some big buff dude, but FOR THE MOST PART a slim and inshape body is going to be more appealing than a skinny guy, or a fat guy. Thats just a fact. Who are these chicks that fawn over fat guys on the beach?

Just the same, men like ass and tits. Its not complicated people

[Guest Airjamie]

That will be all.

[jilla82]

"never trust a big butt and smile"

[chub rock]

i weigh like 80 pounds and could for sure pass for a dior boy...

while the general female populace may be off put by my waiffish frame...

ive been to paris for the shows and have banged chicks a thousand times hotter than any fucking GOON could ever pull off. including and beyond the DH association, its called looking like the really good looking guy in A BAND and it will get you way more fucking vagina than hanging out at the gym all day wih a bunch of ching-a -lings.

[goldengloves]

lmao, good post. You do have quite the style as well chub.

i weigh like 80 pounds and could for sure pass for a dior boy...

while the general female populace may be off put by my waiffish frame...

ive been to paris for the shows and have banged chicks a thousand times hotter than any fucking GOON could ever pull off. beyond the DH association, its called looking like the really good looking guy in A BAND and it will get you way more fucking vagina than hanging out at the gym all day wih a bunch of ching-a -lings.

[evisu 2000]

also helps that he is good looking nohomo.

[onemancult]

i'm out of shape, but my penis runs laps every night.

[minya]

Another day, another fucking terrible jake snake thread.